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Topic Title: mRNA: game changing vaccine technology
Topic Summary: to keep up with variants caused by ignoramus anti vaxxers
Created On: 09/18/2021 10:19 AM
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nukeh2o

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and it works

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 09/18/2021 11:24 AM
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dingpatch

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Yes, the old way is Dead as a wedge

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 09/18/2021 11:51 AM
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The technoligy is not "new" - been around for decades getting better fine tuned.. Moderna prob not a bad bet for stocks when it goes public.. Def "The wave of the future"... The rest is "old hat"..

They came up with the technical part of the solution in a weekend.. Manufactureingr, testing & distribution were the long lead items.. My nieces husband was sent to Switzerland for nearly 2 months to help set up Pfeiser's manufacturer's operations...

The non-beleives think our batterires in our implnted / injected microchips may be runnng down or whatever.. Wonder how qrumps batteries are doing since he was one of the first to get the jab...

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Edited: 09/18/2021 at 11:52 AM by surfsail

 09/18/2021 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by: surfsail
Moderna prob not a bad bet for stocks when it goes public..


MRNA has been publicly traded for almost 3 years now. I made a nice little profit recently, but sold a few days too soon to make more.

UCF grad (Darin Edwards '97 '10MS '11PhD) led the research and development as director of immunology at Moderna. Linkage

Originally posted by: surfsail
They came up with the technical part of the solution in a weekend.. Manufactureingr, testing & distribution were the long lead items..


Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel holds a Master of Engineering degree from École Centrale Paris (ECP), a Master of Science in chemical engineering from the University of Minnesota, and an M.B.A. from Harvard Business School.

...in pharma, most companies approach each drug as a brand-new scientific problem. If you're Pfizer, there is nothing you learn from Lipitor that you can apply to making Viagra.

With mRNA, we can turn pharmaceutical problems into engineering problems. If you figure out how to make one vaccine this way, there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to make thousands and thousands, just by changing the message on the mRNA.


Interview here with Moderna's CEO from Jan 2020, before COVID-19 hit the fan, and Moderna's stock was on the left end of this chart:



Rusty will chime in soon to rant about how the researchers don't deserve to make any money for those decades of work.


Edited: 09/18/2021 at 02:25 PM by CurtisEflush
 09/18/2021 05:57 PM
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Well at least we're reminded here that the one truth we can trust in this world is what the stock market graphs tell us... the market knows!!! Fast forward few months from the end of that chart and the data now is showing moderna has efficacy drop at the six months timeline from 98-99% down to only 95%ish, while Pfizer is down to below 80%, but yet Pfizer got that FDA stamp, however from those charts it doesn't seem to be fooling the markets! The markets know!

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Edited: 09/18/2021 at 05:59 PM by surferclimber
 09/18/2021 07:22 PM
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nukeh2o

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I wonder if either Doctor Sabin or Doctor Salk got death threats and fux news agitprop hit pieces directed against them.....and their families?

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 09/18/2021 07:45 PM
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CurtisEflush

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Originally posted by: surferclimber
Pfizer got that FDA stamp, however from those charts it doesn't seem to be fooling the markets! The markets know!


Not as black-and-white as that. Moderna is a much smaller and newer company than Pfizer, so it's easier to move up or down percentage-wise. Comparing to Pfizer is kinda like comparing Gilligan's 3-hour tourboat to an aircraft carrier.

Pfizer got their initial approval earlier, but that came with the super-cold storage requirement that Moderna managed to avoid.

Also, Moderna uses a 3.3x stronger dose of mRNA than Pfizer. Pfizer's goal was to use the weakest (least risky) dose that would provide immune response equal to a human case of COVID, whereas Moderna's approach was to make it as strong as they could get away with. That probably explains the initial, slightly-better effectiveness of Pfizer (no significant difference at saturation levels), as well as the longer-term better performance of Moderna (similar half-life, but decaying from a much higher starting point.)

Some of the recent Moderna bump was due to new-product developments, including a combined flu+covid shot.



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 09/20/2021 10:05 AM
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dingpatch

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AND, what's just as funny is all the Dolts clamoring for the "antibody" treatment; which is just as new and engineered as the vaccine they so hate.

So, and as such, this perhaps really is a "natural selection" process to thin the herd of Dolts!!??

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 09/20/2021 10:34 AM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: CurtisEflush
Rusty will chime in soon to rant about how the researchers don't deserve to make any money for those decades of work.


On the contrary. Workers are entitled to all they create. The scientists are workers in your example, and they are entitled to significant reward for their achievement. The assholes are the ones who would try to control the supply and drive up the cost, which happens with a lot of pharma.

As far as Moderna, I walked in, sat down, got my shot, walked out. Only reason to open my wallet was to show my ID. That's a nice example of how healthcare SHOULD work. Just don't tell Flushie it's socialism. He'll be mad his taxes paid for someone else to get a vaccine.

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