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 06/22/2021 04:15 PM
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Fish Killer

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Please Stop Saying 'Socialism Doesn't Work'
Karen Kataline
June 21, 2021 at 1:10pm

How many times have you heard conservatives say, "Socialism has never worked anywhere it has been tried." Conservative pundits rattle off that line because they've heard so many other conservatives say it.

Of all the arguments against socialism, this is by far the weakest. There are drugs that "work" too, but they kill the patient.

What's more, what exactly does "work" mean? Doesn't that assume that the proponents actually want to help the masses rather than subjugate them? They have continually expressed contempt for America with their words and actions, yet they say they have more compassion than anyone else and that's why we need their "help."

Just because they succeed in advancing their socialist policies by telling the masses that it's "for your own good" or "for the common good" doesn't make it true. Regardless, the level of arrogance and narcissism that is required to make such a claim ought to be immediately suspect.

Authoritarianism and the progressive use of coercion that eventually leads to brute force is necessary to make socialism, communism, Marxism, etc. "work." History is fraught with example after bloody example of the consequences. It's not only OK to call this evil; it is essential.

To deliberately rob others of their God-given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is evil. In America, we consent to be governed to protect those rights for others, as well as for ourselves - especially those with whom we disagree.

To constrain one's own power out of respect for the self-determination of others is among the truest examples of compassion, despite what leftists say. They have taught supposedly free-thinking adults that somehow, it is selfish.

Liberals used to know some of these things, but they have abandoned every decent idea they ever had. The greatest among them is personal liberty itself.

Today, they march in lockstep with Maoists and Marxists and will follow them off a bridge in exchange for a little social approval and a nice pat on the head.

No thinking or intellectual consistency is required so long as they fawn and bow to the correct collectivist victim groups and hate the correct collectivist perpetrator groups.

To top it off, they have swallowed the ridiculous notion that one can preserve one's liberty by handing it over.

The relatively small number of leftist strategists didn't come up with the tactics to accomplish these shocking cultural changes in attitude all on their own. There is nothing new under the sun.

The bullying and the propaganda, the fear-mongering and the indoctrination, the incitement and the cheerleading for criminality and rioting by their supporters while falsely branding the peaceful protests of their opponents as "armed insurrection" have all been done before.

The evil of authoritarianism is flourishing more quickly than ever in America because pop culture, public schools and universities have been incrementally conditioning Americans to accept tyranny as a sort of moral high ground.

Related: Itxu Díaz: The Left Does Many Things Wrong, But Its Patronizing Attitude Is the Worst
They have been made soft and ignorant about the preciousness of liberty, so much so that they will more easily tolerate the cognitive dissonance of feeling good about themselves for snitching on family members and bossing around perfect strangers.

It's an oxymoron to try to "force" liberty on a country or an individual, but it's hardly necessary. Man strives for freedom like a drowning man struggles for air. Until we can clearly communicate that, we will never prevail in this war against America. It is evil to rob others of free will and thus, their individuality,

For the preservation of our own liberty and the liberty of people around the world, we must say it loudly and proudly: Liberty is a moral imperative.

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 06/22/2021 06:37 PM
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while falsely branding the peaceful protests of their opponents as "armed insurrection"


LOL, "Karen" must have been partaking in some potent shrooms when she came up with this!
 06/22/2021 06:41 PM
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Gosshh, swishy....that's deep. And you know what happens over at the deep end though....
sometimes you gotta hold your breath. It's your liberty to practice breath control drills.
We'll help

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 06/22/2021 07:30 PM
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Unless we seize the means of production, what is socialism?
 06/23/2021 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by: follydude

Unless we seize the means of production, what is socialism?


Crickets.



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 06/23/2021 09:27 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: follydude



Unless we seize the means of production, what is socialism?




Crickets.




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 06/23/2021 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: follydude



Unless we seize the means of production, what is socialism?




Crickets.


One has to get rid of the existing government first!

MORON!

Everyone can plainly see that thats what you are CURRENTLY trying to do!

FOOL!

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 06/23/2021 09:40 AM
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Capitalism didn't give us a 40 hour work week

Capitalism didn't give us weekends & paid holidays.

Capitalism didn't give us safe working conditions.

Capitalism didn't give us K-12 education.

Capitalism didn't give us Social Security.

Capitalism didn't give us Medicare, Medicaid & the ACA.

All of this is despite Capitalism.





 06/23/2021 09:46 AM
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Everyone can plainly see that thats what you are CURRENTLY trying to do!


If it's so obvious, post a couple of links. Legit sources please.

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 06/23/2021 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole

Everyone can plainly see that thats what you are CURRENTLY trying to do!





If it's so obvious, post a couple of links. Legit sources please.


One has to get rid of the existing government first!

MORON!

Everyone can plainly see that thats what you are CURRENTLY trying to do!

FOOL!

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 06/23/2021 10:58 AM
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I thought you said Biden was big government?

You are so clueless it's hilarious.

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 06/24/2021 03:46 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

I thought you said Biden was big government?



You are so clueless it's hilarious. [IMG][/IMG]


Biden IS big government!

Thats the PLAN.....MORON!

Run the country financially right into the ground!

Thats EXACTLY what he's doing!

How's that 6 TRILLION 'infrastructure' bill doing?

6 FUCKING TRILLION DOLLARS!

You are so clueless it's hilarious.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/05...conomy/biden-plan.html

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Edited: 06/24/2021 at 03:47 AM by Fish Killer
 06/24/2021 07:41 AM
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But Trump's $10 trillion to the debt didn't matter. lol

And for what, the average American didn't get a damn thing.

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 06/24/2021 08:21 AM
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Capitalism didn't give us a 40 hour work week:
Capitalism didn't give us weekends & paid holidays:
By the early 1900s, many industries had adopted the eight-hour workday, but most people were still working six days a week. That continued until 1926 when Henry Ford removed one required day of work from his employees' schedules.
Ford's employees had been working 48 hours a week: eight-hour days and six-day weeks. Removing one day resulted in eight-hour shifts for five days a week - what we now know as the 40-hour workweek.
Ford found that his workers were actually more productive working 40 hours a week than they had been working 48 hours a week. His success with the change inspired manufacturing companies all over the country to adopt the 40-hour workweek.

Medieval Peasants people were allowed to rest on Holy days (from which we get our word Holiday) in the 19th century skilled workers were paid for holidays. Paid holidays for laborers were put forward by Car manufacturers, gasoline producers and resort owners to encourage people to buy cars, gas and to travel

Capitalism didn't give us safe working conditions. child labour conditions led to FACTORY OWNER, Sir Robert Peel, introducing the Health and Morals of Apprentices Act 1802, commonly known as the Factory Act

Capitalism didn't give us K-12 education:
No, but capitalism PAYS FOR K-12 education through taxes of property owners and businesses.

Capitalism didn't give us Social Security:
Capitalism didn't give us Medicare, Medicaid & the ACA.
Who do you think pays into social security? Every employed person whether owner, management or worker. The entire social security process is based on capitalism, people earning money and paying into a pool that provides for their security in old age...
Medicare is a program of the social security administration.

Everything you listed IS a result of Capitalism and the benefits of living in a Capitalistic society.


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 06/24/2021 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Cole

But Trump's $10 trillion to the debt didn't matter. lol



And for what, the average American didn't get a damn thing.


Trump had Covid 19.

You got to LIVE!

What a lucky bastard you are!

Nuff said!



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 06/24/2021 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: Cole



But Trump's $10 trillion to the debt didn't matter. lol







And for what, the average American didn't get a damn thing.




Trump had Covid 19.



You got to LIVE!



What a lucky bastard you are!



Nuff said!


What? lol



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 06/24/2021 12:15 PM
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Fish Killer

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Who the FUCK paid for Fauci's Wuhan Covid 19 vaccines and covid emergency crap?

T R U M P !!!!!!!

FUCKING MORON!

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 06/24/2021 12:32 PM
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Capital letters with spaces followed by multiple exclamation points...



Edited: 06/24/2021 at 12:35 PM by Greensleeves
 06/24/2021 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Who the FUCK paid for Fauci's Wuhan Covid 19 vaccines and covid emergency crap?



T R U M P !!!!!!!



FUCKING MORON!


So why are you afraid to get the shot?

And no, Trump didn't get my refund on my insurance, that was from Biden.



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 06/24/2021 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Cole

Originally posted by: Fish Killer



Who the FUCK paid for Fauci's Wuhan Covid 19 vaccines and covid emergency crap?







T R U M P !!!!!!!







FUCKING MORON!




So why are you afraid to get the shot?



And no, Trump didn't get my refund on my insurance, that was from Biden.
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You are as stupid as a sack of SHIT!

Just because Trump paid for it in NO WAY means it's safe!

The three companies that make that shit are KNOWN for fuck-ups....deliberate fuck-ups!

You know...the ON PURPOSE ONES!

MORON!



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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
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