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Topic Title: The Biden-Ukraine-Trump-Whistleblower thing explained
Topic Summary: Impeachable offense?
Created On: 09/24/2019 10:13 AM
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 09/25/2019 11:47 AM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: KeyserSoze

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Have to agree with RustyTruck - -

- - not only grasping at straws, they have their head buried deep!!



Whether in sand or somewhere else.





I wouldn't know as I'm neither a liberal, nor a Democrat.

Maybe you could just do some posts from the list of White House talking points that they sent to Congress. Then you'd really own the libs bro.



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 09/25/2019 11:57 AM
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dingpatch

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TDS is such a terrible malady. Pray for a cure.

TDS infects the victim in such a way that the afflicted concentrates on mundane things such as this: CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty Officers and NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place....".

But, the transcript, in its "memo" form is as close to a complete record as there is going to be. Nothing has been redacted or otherwise "altered".

Please read:

Why transcript of Trump's Ukraine call is not word for word
Associated Press
DARLENE SUPERVILLE
,Associated Press.September 25, 2019
0:05 1:43

Trump calls transcript on conversation with Ukrainian president 'a nothing call'

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WASHINGTON (AP) The five pages released by the White House documenting President Donald Trump's phone conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy are not a word-for-word transcript of the call.

A "CAUTION" note included at the bottom of the first page of the text released Wednesday explains that the rough transcript "records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty Officers and NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place."

The transcript was prepared using voice recognition software, along with note takers and experts listening in, according to senior White House officials. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss White House document preparation.

The Situation Room is a secure meeting space in the basement of the White House West Wing where the president and members of the National Security Council, or NSC, discuss sensitive foreign and domestic policy issues. It is staffed 24 hours a day.

The "caution" note goes on to explain that several factors can affect the accuracy of the recording. It cites poor telecommunication connections and "variations in accent and/or interpretation" among them. Zelenskiy spoke through a translator.

The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation the notetaker was unable to hear.

During the call, Trump was upstairs in the White House residence while downstairs, in the Situation Room, officials listened in and set about to memorialize the conversation, as is standard practice.

The call lasted 30 minutes.

The resulting memorandum, or rough transcript, was classified as "Secret' and "ORCON, for "originator controlled," to prevent its spread throughout the federal government.

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Associated Press writer Zeke Miller contributed to this report.





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Edited: 09/25/2019 at 12:07 PM by dingpatch
 09/25/2019 12:18 PM
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Pagerow

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That's why it's important to focus on the whistleblower complaint. He/she will be able to convey the mood and tenor of the call, and be able to fil in the blanks of the .... elipses that might be removeing some relavent information.

While the transcripts are taken by hand and could be inacurate.

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 09/25/2019 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Pagerow That's why it's important to focus on the whistleblower complaint. He/she will be able to convey the mood and tenor of the call, and be able to fil in the blanks of the .... elipses that might be removeing some relavent information. While the transcripts are taken by hand and could be inacurate.
Apparently the "whistle blower" got his information second hand. That ain't going to help you.

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 09/25/2019 12:26 PM
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somebodyelse

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He/she will be able to convey the mood and tenor of the call, and be able to fil in the blanks of the .... ................... While the transcripts are taken by hand and could be inaccurate........................Are you saying that the Professional transcriptionist who is actually on line-transcribing the call is inaccurate where the whistle blower who overhears the call is more accurate?... Are Mood and tenor definitive or objective traits???

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 09/25/2019 12:30 PM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: Pagerow

That's why it's important to focus on the whistleblower complaint. He/she will be able to convey the mood and tenor of the call, and be able to fil in the blanks of the .... elipses that might be removeing some relavent information.



While the transcripts are taken by hand and could be inacurate.


Apparently the "whistle blower" got his information second hand. That ain't going to help you.


Not necessarily. I've heard that the whistle blower's complaint was based on more than the one phone call, and was deemed credible enough for referral to Justice.

If it's all good then there should be no problem putting everything on the table.


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