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 05/02/2019 01:08 PM
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SlimyBritches

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To quote Barr, "Snippy is being snitty"
 05/02/2019 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover The report is overflowing with evidence of collusion and obstruction.
True. Mueller must be a Russian agent too. So must most Americans, who believe Mueller's findings. Maybe everyone in the world is a Russian agent. Sneaky bastards, aren't they?

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 05/02/2019 07:48 PM
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Cole

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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: johnnyboy



Basically, the gop and trump are saying that it's completely over. What they mean is that it's over if you believe Barr. It's just beginning of you read Mueller.




WTF are you talking about? The report is out there for anyone to read. This isn't a he-said/he-said situation.


Not according to the guy who wrote it.

If it's no big deal, why all the stonewalling? Why not just answer a few questions and be done? But then again, lying to congress is a real crime and punishable by jail time, so i can see why they are so reluctant.



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 05/03/2019 03:59 AM
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Between this, perjury and contempt Barr might be doing some time soon....

28 CFR § 600.9 - Notification and reports by the Attorney General




 05/03/2019 04:58 AM
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There are laws for a reason.

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 05/03/2019 05:13 AM
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An investigation into whether the president of the United States committed treason has devolved into a squabble over Attorney General Bill Barr's brief letter saying that he didn't.

We've gone from Donald Trump allegedly betraying the nation to Bill Barr allegedly betraying the nation, from potential Trump impeachment to potential Barr impeachment.

Barr's offense, of course, is writing a quick letter summarizing the top-line conclusions of the Mueller report. Ever since, he's been the focus of conspiracy theories and the target of smears.

The anti-Barr fury reached a new level with the news that Robert Mueller wrote him a letter complaining about the summary. Not since the Zimmermann telegram has a missive so exercised Washington, at least the segment of it that's been in a perpetual lather of outrage since November 2016.

Let's be clear: If Barr wanted to cover for Trump, he could have crimped the Mueller probe, sat on the report or redacted the report into meaninglessness. He did none of the above.

No one can claim his summary of findings was inaccurate. According to Barr, even Mueller conceded as much in a phone call. Mueller instead complained about the press coverage of the Barr summary, which isn't, strictly speaking, the attorney general's responsibility.

Barr's conduct is defensible on its own terms. He wanted to get the basic verdict out because the investigation had so roiled our national life, especially the possibility that there was collusion with the Russians.

When Mueller came back to him with a request for release of the summaries from the report, Barr declined because he didn't want to get into piecemeal releases when the full report would soon be available.

That's what makes the controversy so nonsensical. Barr went further than required by the regulations to release the entirety of the report, letting everyone decide for themselves. What else was he supposed to do?

Of course, Barr's summary letter inevitably lacked the narrative force and details of the 400-page report, but we know that . . . because he released the report.

The notion that Barr was deceptive in congressional testimony is similarly absurd. In an exchange with Senator Chris Van Hollen last month, he was asked if Mueller supported his "conclusion," meaning his judgment that the president didn't obstruct justice. Barr accurately said he didn't know.

Representative Charlie Crist asked Barr if he knew what Mueller officials anonymously complaining about his letter were referring to. Barr said he didn't (he presumably hadn't talked to these anonymous officials), but volunteered that they probably wanted more information out.

Ultimately, the firestorm over Barr's letter is a misdirection, and he's a scapegoat. If Robert Mueller wanted to recommend charging Trump with obstruction of justice, he could have done so. Instead, he punted, and now he - or people around him - is upset that the Barr letter accurately stated his convoluted not-guilty/not-exonerated bottom line.

As for the Democrats, if they disagree with Barr's conclusion that Trump didn't commit a chargeable crime, it is fully within their power to impeach the president for abuse of power.

Democrats still want someone else to do their work for them. First, they wanted Mueller to blow Trump out of the water, and now they want Barr to adopt a frankly adversarial posture toward the president.

Barr is not the one distorting procedure or norms here. It's the Mueller team that declined to make a call on whether Trump had committed a crime or not (the job we ordinarily ask prosecutors to do), yet catalogued his conduct in a quasi-indictment written for public consumption (which prosecutors aren't supposed to do) and, now we know, cared very much about the media narrative around its report (a public-relations or partisan question, not a legal one).

That Barr and his letter are the focus of such political and media ire is a symptom of the lunacy of this era, rather than anything rotten in his Department of Justice.

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 05/03/2019 05:24 AM
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Cole

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At the heart, it's still all about Trump.

The AG should not be the presidents personal lawyer and the House has every right to request what they want. There are a branch of government and it is their Constitutional duty to bring what they see as darkness to light.

We listened to Benghazi for years and we are still listening about Clinton's email and the Deep State bullshit, so expect to hear this for the next 18 months, if not longer.

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Edited: 05/03/2019 at 05:47 AM by Cole
 05/03/2019 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole

There are laws for a reason.


Then why exactly isn't Clinton, Comey, Lynch, Holder, yada, yada, yada in jail right now?

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 05/03/2019 05:41 AM
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Well, regardless of any of the foregoing, I'm unclear about the "hows and whys" of all of this, given that the DoJs "Special Counsel" found no reasonable grounds to bring any indictments and, as such, what is Barr supposed, or not supposed, to do?

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 05/03/2019 05:49 AM
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Not supposed to be the president's attorney
Not supposed to spin the facts
Not supposed to make a determination without reading the report
 05/03/2019 05:49 AM
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found no reasonable grounds to bring any indictments

That's not true, Mueller referred it to congress and barr. Barr found nothing - not surprising - and the House has their concerns. This is how government works.

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 05/03/2019 05:50 AM
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Barr is obligated to accurately report Mueller's findings to Congress. Instead he tried to alter it to benefit the president.

But it still doesn't matter, if the fix is in within the Senate there's no recourse. There's a valid argument that the House should begin impeachment on 10 counts of obstruction for the President and for perjury for Barr, but it would be more an exercise in holding true to the Constitution. The Senate will "jury nullify" the whole thing because they are in on the obstruction.

They'd have a better chance of convicting a white man in 1960 Mississippi for beating a black man.

It's up to the electoral college since the US is not a popular democracy. The power of the United States is in the hands of the rednecks folks. It don't look good.

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 05/03/2019 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole

found no reasonable grounds to bring any indictments



That's not true, Mueller referred it to congress and barr. Barr found nothing - not surprising - and the House has their concerns. This is how government works.


Better watch out....Mueller may turn and bite your ass!

http://thefederalistpapers.org...lVomPij7CTJUyNWKFMewCA

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 05/03/2019 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer




Then why exactly isn't Clinton, Comey, Lynch, Holder, yada, yada, yada in jail right now?


Because the cons suck at everything.

You had your chance to shit, but ended up having to get off the pot.

Now step aside as we show you how it's done



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 05/03/2019 06:03 AM
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Cole

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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Originally posted by: Cole



found no reasonable grounds to bring any indictments







That's not true, Mueller referred it to congress and barr. Barr found nothing - not surprising - and the House has their concerns. This is how government works.




Better watch out....Mueller may turn and bite your ass!



http://thefederalistpapers.org...lVomPij7CTJUyNWKFMewCA


Bombshell!



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 05/03/2019 06:05 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: fishkller

Originally posted by: Fish Killer
Then why exactly isn't Clinton, Comey, Lynch, Holder, yada, yada, yada in jail right now?


Because the cons suck at everything.


The only problem with that bullshit is that yall's day has arrived.

Barr is going to clean your clock...so says Barr!

Indictments to come.

Fool!

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 05/03/2019 07:51 AM
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 05/03/2019 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer
Yeah, that was disgraceful. Thank goodness, however, that progs are idiots. If they had some semblance of intelligence, we wouldn't have a booming economy and 100 new conservative judges.

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 05/03/2019 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover

Not supposed to be the president's attorney

Not supposed to spin the facts

Not supposed to make a determination without reading the report


Really?

Democrats would collectively shit their pants if Barr were to say anything similar to the quote below about Trump:
"I'm still enjoying what I'm doing, there's still work to be done. I'm still the President's wing-man, so I'm there with my boy." - AG Eric Holder referring to President Obama

What do you know about operation Fast and Furious?

Also, do you actually think that Mueller wrote the report? Hell no. Weisman, who was onstage crying with Hillary Clinton when she conceded, was most likely tasked to write it but Mueller isn't writing 400 pages. That's why he has staff. Same with Barr.

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Edited: 05/03/2019 at 08:23 AM by Sniper
 05/03/2019 08:51 AM
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Mueller's coming.. hahaha

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