One could. Gray didn't. Gray had lead poisoning.

One could. Gray didn't.

 

One could. Gray didn't.

Your entire claim that Gray was trying to scam the city by breaking his own neck is based on a bald lie. Your source and pretty much every other conservative blog on the internet is falsly claiming that Gray was recieving a settlement for a neck injury when the nature of the settlement is known to be that of a lead poisoning injury.

 

 

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You have a serious problem with the witness that disagree with you as to wether he was injuring himself:

Report: Freddie Gray may have intentionally tried to injure self in police van
Published
April 30, 2015


Freddie Gray, whose death triggered Monday's rioting in Baltimore, may have intentionally tried to injure himself in a police van, according to another prisoner in the vehicle, the Washington Post reported late Wednesday night.

The Post said the unidentified prisoner, who was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him, reportedly said he heard Gray "banging himself against the walls" and believed he "was intentionally trying to injure himself.

The prisoner's statements were contained in an investigative document obtained by the paper, which said it was unclear if there was any additional information to support the theory.

Gray, who is black, was arrested April 12 after he ran from police. Officers held him down, handcuffed him and loaded him into the police van. While inside, he became irate and leg cuffs were put on him, police had said. At some point, he suffered a severe spinal injury and was unconscious when the van arrived at a police station.

Authorities have not explained how or when Gray's spine was injured. He died April 19.

The death of Gray sparked riots earlier this week in Baltimore as protests turned violent resulting into major property damage throughout the city and around 200 arrests

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Report: Freddie Gray tried to injure himself


Tuesday, the city started to enforce a curfew starting at 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. More than 3,000 National Guardsmen and law enforcement officers were called into the city to make sure no more violence took place in the city. Baltimore stayed quiet throughout the night Wednesday as well.

Baltimore mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake has also come under fire after a senior law enforcement told Fox News Wednesday that she ordered police to stand down.

The source, who is involved in the enforcement efforts, confirmed to Fox News there was a direct order from the mayor to her police chief Monday night, effectively tying the hands of officers as they were pelted with rocks and bottles.

The claim follows criticism of the mayor for, over the weekend, saying they were giving space to those who "wished to destroy."

Rawlings-Blake has defended her handling of the unrest, which grew out of protests over the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody.

The mayor, in an interview with Fox News' Bill Hemmer on Tuesday, denied any order was issued to hold back on Monday.

"You have to understand, it is not holding back. It is responding appropriately," she said, saying there was no stand-down directive.

She said her critics have a right to their opinion.

Baltimore police are expected to finish their investigation Friday and turn the results over to the city's state's attorney office, which will decide whether to seek indictment. Six police officers, including a lieutenant and a sergeant, have been suspended.


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Edited: 04/30/2015 at 11:23 AM by Fish Killer

The title of this thread is:

Allstate Good Hands for Freddie Gray - Records Indicate Spinal Injury Pre-existing.

Your first post claims that Freddie Gray had a pre-existing spinal injury and was receiving a settlement for it. Your first post also repeats claims from anonymous sources that Freddie Gray had very recently recieved surgery on his neck/spine.

Those are the subjects of this thread. Those are lies.

The settlement was for lead poisoning.

No mention anywhere by the police or otherwise of the autopsy indicating recent surgery or indication of previous injury to the neck or spine. Strange that the police would hide such exonerating information. Oh, they aren't hiding it. You made it up.

So you've been caught on those lies and now you are going to hang your argument on the testimony of a prisoner that couldn't even see what was happening.

Without the pre-existing injury your premise is that Freddie Gray deliberately flung himself into the walls of the van hard enough to freshly break 3 vertebrae. That type of self injury is difficult.

 

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We don't have any of the information that you claim...yet.

We did just get the official police report today...one day early.

It's nice how you just make things up as you go along.

You should supply links next time (like I have) to substantiate your crap.

I also found out where the 'sar accident information came from:

"Paperwork was filed in December allowing Gray and his sister, Fredericka to each collect an $18,000 payment from Peachtree Settlement Funding, records show. In exchange, Peachtree would have received a $108,439 annuity that was scheduled to be paid in $602 monthly installments between 2024 and 2039.

In her documents, Fredericka Gray checked "other" when asked to describe the type of accident. She also said that the date of the accident was "94/99? and that she was a minor when the case was settled.

In his documents, Freddie Gray checked "work injury, medical malpractice and auto accident" as the type of accident. When asked to explain, he also wrote something that is unreadable. He also wrote something unreadable when asked if he was a minor when the case was settled.

Both cases were filed at the same time by a New Jersey law firm. A Judge Dismissed the case on April 2 when neither Gray nor his sister appeared in court, records show."

http://theconservativetreehous...eek-before-his-arrest/

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Edited: 04/30/2015 at 11:52 AM by Fish Killer

Lead poisoning settlement?>>

He is lucky. Most Black males that get 'LEAD ' poisoning die.:>>

Who is killing all those black men and boys?>>

Mostly white officers. But in hundreds of instances, black officers, too. Black officers account for a little more than 10 percent of all fatal police shootings. Of those they kill, though, 78 percent were black.>>

White officers, given their great numbers in so many of the country's police departments, are well represented in all categories of police killings. White officers killed 91 percent of the whites who died at the hands of police. And they were responsible for 68 percent of the people of color killed. Those people of color represented 46 percent of all those killed by white officers>>

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We know what the structured settlement was for. Therefore all of your claims flowing from your lie about that point are false until proven otherwise.

Your links regarding the settlement and pre-existing injuries are bloggers citing anonymous sources.

Anyone with a brain can go find the correct information instead of taking the word of bloggers and anonymous sources.

I don't need to provide you with any links because you could be talking directly to the lawyer that represented the Gray family in the lawsuit and you'd insist that he was lying about what the lawsuit was about.

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I found out where the 'car accident' information came from. How come you didn't know that there were TWO cases?:

"Paperwork was filed in December allowing Gray and his sister, Fredericka to each collect an $18,000 payment from Peachtree Settlement Funding, records show. In exchange, Peachtree would have received a $108,439 annuity that was scheduled to be paid in $602 monthly installments between 2024 and 2039.

In her documents, Fredericka Gray checked "other" when asked to describe the type of accident. She also said that the date of the accident was "94/99? and that she was a minor when the case was settled.

In his documents, Freddie Gray checked "work injury, medical malpractice and auto accident" as the type of accident. When asked to explain, he also wrote something that is unreadable. He also wrote something unreadable when asked if he was a minor when the case was settled.

Both cases were filed at the same time by a New Jersey law firm. A Judge Dismissed the case on April 2 when neither Gray nor his sister appeared in court, records show."

http://theconservativetreehous...eek-before-his-arrest/

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Bad joke. Sub-lethal lead toxicity is a common chronic problem for kids in the ghetto.  Leaves them mentally stunted.

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You can't walk it back.

Your source that you link right there says:

However, any report claiming the above relative to a "car accident" seem sketchy at best.

There were never any valid grounds to claim the pre-existing injury, especially since the Baltimore Sun ran an article about the lead paint thing a week ago.

Gray and his sister were trying to get a lump sum payment instead of the structured settlement. End of story.

Yet you people are trying to use the fact that Gray checked the wrong box on the form to indicate that the lawsuit was something that it wasn't. Even after you learn what the settlement was for you are still trying to act like there is merrit in the "speculation".

Gray and his sister probably saw one of those TV commercials like the "JG Wentworth 877 cash now" commercials (Preachtree runs similar ads) and thought cashing in would be a great idea (predatory behavior by firms like that is a topic worthy of a thread or two).

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Had they shown up they would have been paid.

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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Chip on shoulder.  If you debunk (knock off the chip) it's time to fight.  The chip is not very relevant; it could be anything.

Sub-juvenile behavior.

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Oops. Really starting to look like Gray's injury was self-inflicted now. I'm betting that progs have once again made fools out of themselves.

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Tpap is right again as always.

The gentleman severed his own spine.

The following was on Fox & Friends:

The report was also called into question by Dr. Marc Siegel on Fox News' Fox & Friends, who said there was "no way that you could sever your spine by bashing your head against a wall or side of a car," and added there was "no chance" that Gray could have injured himself "to the extent where he would sever his spine."

I am really upset, obviously this "doctor" (ahem) is a prog plant.

Usually, Kilmeade, Doocy and the blond with the legs get it right.

You can easily sever your own spine. People do it every day. In any case, i have said nothing to be right or wrong about at this point. Merely said that it is starting to look like the progs have made fools out of themselves again. That is a truism.

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Looks like the prog democraps on this thread are going to eat ca-ca again!

The diet of feces that they ate on here after the Ferguson Riots and the phony Michael Brown 'execution' wasn't enough for them.

They want to eat a few more dump trucks full!

IJReview
Baltimore Medical Examiner Reveals a Striking New Detail About How Freddie Gray Really Died
By Justen Charters
(3 hours ago) | Culture, Headlines, Legal


New evidence regarding the case of what led to Freddie Gray's death has come to light.

While many have suggested that Gray's death was due to police negligence, the medical examiner didn't find any proof backing that narrative.

ABC News 7 reported on how Gray wasn't injured during his arrest and the way he sustained his fatal injury:


An investigation into the death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray has found no evidence that his fatal injuries were caused during the videotaped arrest and interaction with police officers, according to multiple law enforcement sources.

The sources spoke to ABC7 News after being briefed on the findings of a police report tuned over to prosecutors on Thursday as well as preliminary findings made by the medical examiner's office.

Sources said the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.


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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Deliberately injure your spine? You're truly an F'ing idiot! You have no idea how impossibly stupid you appear.

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Moron!

"Sources said the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van."

What part of the medical examiners report don't you understand?

Are you trying to claim that he couldn't have smashed his head on the bolt while he was in the van and the other prisoner testified that he did?

'You're truly an F'ing idiot! You have no idea how impossibly stupid you appear'

MORON!



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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Baltimore PD has a history of the "Rough Ride".

The likely cause. Already injured they throw him cuffed behind his back with no seat belt. Drive fast around corners, slamming on brakes. Hitting the gas at stops. Believing he did this to himself is just monumentally stupid!

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John Kenneth Galbraith

Yo...buttwipe...there is a witness who already gave a legal statement as to Grey smashing himself.

Are you just a moron or did your mama drop you on your head as an infant?

"A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray "banging against the walls" of the vehicle and believed that he "was intentionally trying to injure himself," according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post."

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Sorry ForesKin, the statement also said he didn't SEE what was going on just heard it through a metal wall. How Christlike, making excuses for at least manslaughter.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -
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