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Topic Title: Allstate Good Hands For Freddie Gray - Records Indicate Spinal Injury Pre-existing, Part Of Settlement
Topic Summary: All is NEVER is as it is presented with you prog democraps!
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 04/30/2015 05:25 AM
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Allstate Good Hands For Freddie Gray - Records Indicate Spinal Injury Pre-existing, Part Of Settlement
Rick Wells
04/28/2015

The media is leaving out much of the career criminal history of Freddie Gray in their reporting. It seems now that they may also be failing to investigate and discuss his possibly relevant medical history, which may have included surgeries for spinal injuries incurred in an automobile accident. Federal privacy laws restrict access to personal information, making the investigation of medical incidents difficult. As a result, discerning fact from fiction may be a challenging endeavor but it is one that absolutely must be conducted to finality.

One item of interest in a public records search of the Howard Court Civil System website indicates that Gray received a settlement and had engaged with Peachtree Funding to obtain a lump sum payment. The specific nature of this incident must be examined to determine if there is relevance to the death and equally important, to the culpability of the officers. There is wide speculation that this court record is the smoking gun that may lead to a pre-existing condition. It also may not.

While the local Baltimore sentiment and media portrayal of events seem to lean towards giving the benefit of the doubt to Gray and indicting the officers or assigning police misconduct, those determinations have yet to be made and Gray's medical background is a key factor which must be addressed in totality as part of the investigation. Other anonymous sources indicate that Gray may have had surgery as recently as ten days prior to the incident in which he was involved in a forty-five minute flee to evade the authorities. If this were the case he could have easily re-injured himself in his reckless attempt to avoid capture.

Whether or not there was a pre-existing spinal injury and regardless of the amount of time which may have elapsed, there is sufficient cause to question the Mayor and protester's version of events and to provide a basis for doubt that a deliberate malicious act was committed by the officers conducting the arrest. It was Gray's decision alone to run from officers.

Black lives do matter, so do the lives of police officers of any color as well as the lives of the residents of Baltimore which have been turned upside down. The truth matters as well. Just as with the incident in Ferguson, there doesn't seem to be any urgency on the part of the media to cover that aspect of the story and the Democrat administrations, both locally and nationally are more than willing to feed fuel to the fire.

The original settlement documentation in question is available at this link, case number 13C14101574, a copy of the display is below:





Read more at http://universalfreepress.com/allstate-good-hands-for-freddie-gray-records-indicate-spinal-injury-pre-existing-part-of-settlement/

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 04/30/2015 05:39 AM
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This is part of a lead-paint class action suit. Peachtree got HUGE awards in the late 90s. And obviously, someone (paint company, rental agency, whatever would have the lead paint) counter-sued. Gray didn't show up and therefore this was dismissed. There is nothing at all here that indicates auto accident or spinal injury, or event he receipt of a settlement. When you propagate lies, you are lying too. 9th commandment. . .false witness. How many times will you do this before Jesus is sick of you?
 04/30/2015 05:42 AM
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Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was 'trying to injure himself,' document says


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The fact remains, he WAS NOT belted in as the policy states. The cops effed up even if he was trying to harm himself, it's their responsibility to stop from doing so while in their control.

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 04/30/2015 05:53 AM
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Like I said....ya'll are a bunch of disingenuous scumbags!!!

Do ya'll EVER tell the truth?!?!

Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was 'trying to injure himself,' document says
By Peter Hermann
April 29 at 9:10 PM ?

BALTIMORE - A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray "banging against the walls" of the vehicle and believed that he "was intentionally trying to injure himself," according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate's safety.

The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator, offers the first glimpse of what might have happened inside the van. It is not clear whether any additional evidence backs up the prisoner's version, which is just one piece of a much larger probe.

[Freddie Gray: How did he die and why is there so much anger?]

Gray was found unconscious in the wagon when it arrived at a police station on April 12. The 25-year-old had suffered a spinal injury and died a week later, touching off waves of protests across Baltimore, capped by a riot Monday in which hundreds of angry residents torched buildings, looted stores and pelted police officers with rocks.

Social media users capture massive protests in New York on Wednesday against the death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore. (Ashleigh Joplin/The Washington Post)

Police have said they do not know whether Gray was injured during the arrest or during his 30-minute ride in the van. Local police and the U.S. Justice Department both have launched investigations of Gray's death.

Jason Downs, one of the attorneys for the Gray family, said the family had not been told of the prisoner's comments to investigators.

"We disagree with any implication that Freddie Gray severed his own spinal cord," Downs said. "We question the accuracy of the police reports we've seen thus far, including the police report that says Mr. Gray was arrested without force or incident."

Baltimore police said they will wrap up their investigation Friday and turn the results over to the Baltimore state's attorney's office, which will decide whether to seek an indictment. Six police officers, including a lieutenant and a sergeant, have been suspended.

Capt. Eric Kowalczyk, chief spokesman for the Baltimore Police Department, declined to comment on the affidavit, citing the ongoing investigation. The person who provided the document did so on condition of anonymity.

The affidavit is part of a search warrant seeking the seizure of the uniform worn by one of the officers involved in Gray's arrest or transport. It does not say how many officers were in the van, whether any reported that they heard banging or whether they would have been able to help Gray if he was seeking to injure himself. Police have mentioned only two prisoners in the van.

Baltimore Police Commissioner Anthony W. Batts has admitted flaws in the way officers handled Gray after they chased him through a West Baltimore housing project and arrested him. They said they later found a switchblade clipped to the inside of his pants. Batts has said officers repeatedly ignored Gray's pleas for medical help and failed to secure him with a safety belt or harness in the back of the transport van.

Video shot by several bystanders has fueled the rage in West Baltimore. It shows two officers on top of Gray, putting their knees in his back, then dragging his seemingly limp body to the van as he cries out.

Batts has said Gray stood on one leg and climbed into the van on his own.

The van driver stopped three times while transporting Gray to a booking center, the first to put him in leg irons. Batts said the officer driving the van described Gray as "irate." The search warrant application says Gray "continued to be combative in the police wagon."

The driver made a second stop, five minutes later, and asked an officer to help check on Gray. At that stop, police have said the van driver found Gray on the floor of the van and put him back on the seat, still without restraints. Police said Gray asked for medical help at that point.

The third stop was to put the other prisoner - a 38-year-old man accused of violating a protective order - into the van. The van was then driven six blocks to the Western District station. Gray was taken from there to a hospital, where he died April 19.

The prisoner, who is in jail, could not be reached for comment. No one answered the phone at his house, and an attorney was not listed in court records.

Batts has said officers violated policy by failing to properly restrain Gray. But the president of the Baltimore police union noted that the policy mandating seat belts took effect April 3 and was e-mailed to officers as part of a package of five policy changes on April 9, three days before Gray was arrested.

Gene Ryan, the police union president, said many officers aren't reading the new policies - updated to meet new national standards - because they think they're the same rules they already know, with cosmetic changes. The updates are supposed to be read out during pre-shift meetings.

The previous policy was written in 1997, when the department used smaller, boxier wagons that officers called "ice cream trucks." They originally had a metal bar that prisoners had to hold during the ride. Seat belts were added later, but the policy made their use discretionary.

Ryan said that until all facts become clear, he "urged everyone not to rush to judgment. The facts as presented will speak for themselves. I just wish everyone would take a step back and a deep breath, and let the investigation unfold."

The search warrant application says that detectives at the time did not know where the officer's uniform was located and that they wanted his department-issued long-sleeve shirts, pants and black boots or shoes. The document says investigators think that Gray's DNA might be found on the officer's clothes.


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 04/30/2015 05:56 AM
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Looks like your Freddie Grey was trying to cash in on another pay day compliments of the Baltimore PD!

Get a lawsuit for another back injury case and CASH IN!

$$$$$$

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 04/30/2015 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer Looks like your Freddie Grey was trying to cash in on another pay day compliments of the Baltimore PD! Get a lawsuit for another back injury case and CASH IN! $$$$$$

Starting to look that way. What he didn't take into consideration is that he was a prog and, therefore, was incompetent at doing this. Mind you, I have no problem with a prog taking himself out. To the contrary, I wish they all would follow Freddie's noble example.



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 04/30/2015 06:31 AM
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LOL...we've all been waiting for the Republican Bullish!t machine to start up on this one.

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 04/30/2015 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by: eibla LOL...we've all been waiting for the Republican Bullish!t machine to start up on this one.

 

There isn't a single democrap news outlet covering it so it looks like the republican ones will have to pick up the slack!

 

Typical...happens every day!



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Yeah it is pretty typical for Bullish!t to only show up on wacky righty media. Autopsy report says Gray's death was caused by severe injury to his spinal cord and larynx. Video evidence shows he was pretty much a rag doll when they threw him in the paddywagon. The police commissioner disciplined the cops involved for not seat belting him. The lawsuit was about lead paint and was thrown out. Another prisoner, who was separated from Gray by a metal wall says it "sounds" like he was injuring himself. You guys are really a piece of work! Believe any dumbass story so long as it supports your bias. Yeah, he somehow killed himself thrashing around in a van crushing his spine and larynx. Riiiight. The stupidity of it is mind numbing.

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 04/30/2015 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by: eibla Yeah it is pretty typical for Bullish!t to only show up on wacky righty media. Autopsy report says Gray's death was caused by severe injury to his spinal cord and larynx. Video evidence shows he was pretty much a rag doll when they threw him in the paddywagon. The police commissioner disciplined the cops involved for not seat belting him. The lawsuit was about lead paint and was thrown out. Another prisoner, who was separated from Gray by a metal wall says it "sounds" like he was injuring himself. You guys are really a piece of work! Believe any dumbass story so long as it supports your bias. Yeah, he somehow killed himself thrashing around in a van crushing his spine and larynx. Riiiight. The stupidity of it is mind numbing.

Does the name, "gentle giant" ring a bell? Hahahahaha! This Gray guy was a career criminal who resisted arrest. Now there is evidence that he was trying to make it looked like he was roughed up. And talk about making stuff up? You've seen the autopsy? You are one of the few.



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Originally posted by: eibla The lawsuit was about lead paint and was thrown out.

Bull Crap!

 

Prove it!



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Look up the case number above dolt.

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 04/30/2015 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by: eibla Look up the case number above dolt.

 

Not my job!

It's your claim.



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So which is it?

Did he have a pre-existing injury?

Or did he deliberately break his own neck?

Seems like you'll latch onto anything that fits your narrative no matter how far fetched. I really like how you changed the story as soon as you were challenged on the pre-existing injury claim.

There are innumerable conservative blogs claiming that Gray has spinal surgery the week before incident with police. What evidence they have of this I have no idea. None of the medical personel that delt with him or autopsied him seemed to have noticed that he had so recently undergone surgery but the conservative blogosphere sure is making that narrative part of the cannon.



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They are grasping for an answer.
An honest one early could have prevented much.
Lesson not learned.


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 04/30/2015 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer   Records Indicate Spinal Injury Pre-existing,

But the records you provide don't indicate this injury.

 

Federal privacy laws restrict access to personal information, making the investigation of medical incidents difficult.

So you are inventing the pre-existing injury?

The case number indicates that it was him trying to get a lump payment from an old class action suit.

You guys claim the pre-existing neck injury you guys need to pony up with some proof. Because real evidence says you are lying.

 discerning fact from fiction may be a challenging endeavor

Always is with you people.

but it is one that absolutely must be conducted to finality.

Lets see the full info on the terms of the settlement then.

There is wide speculation that this court record is the smoking gun that may lead to a pre-existing condition.

Wide speculation? No. You people stated outright what specific thing you think it indicates.

It also may not.

Echo chamber is not hedging. Echo chamber now believes that he had a broken neck before the cops even looked at him.

And he broke it more himself on purpose.

Other anonymous sources indicate that Gray may have had surgery as recently as ten days prior to the incident

I think you need to ferret out those sources and try to figure out why medical personal didn't notice this prior surgery when he was hospiltalized.

 

Whether or not there was a pre-existing spinal injury and regardless of the amount of time which may have elapsed,there is sufficient cause

You provided no cause. You just speculated. Surely you can find out what were the terms of that structured settlement.

 



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Opening post of this thread is a big fat lie. Has to have been deliberate as the correct information was not hard to find.

There was an article in the Baltimore Sun on April 23 detailing the lead paint lawsuit. He and his siblings had lead poisoning from the slums they lived in.

The pre-existing injury stuff is made up out of whole cloth.

 

 



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But--you libs believe everything odumbo and his minions dish out!



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Originally posted by: scombrid So which is it?

 

Did he have a pre-existing injury?

 

Or did he deliberately break his own neck?

 

So in your feble mind one can't have a pre-existing spine injury that had already been surgically fixed and THEN diliberately re-injure the spine to collect AGAIN?

 

You're an idiot!



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Originally posted by: crankit

But--you libs believe everything odumbo and his minions dish out!



... And conservitards lap everything spewed by Breitbart and Alex Jones with a spoon.

Threadjack: how come you haven't jumped on the bandwagon that a military training exercise in Texas is proof that Obama is going to institute marshal law?

That's what your pal Alex is freaking out about currently.
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