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Created On: 05/20/2023 03:52 AM
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tom

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Sheesh. Everybody please chill ? https://www.news4jax.com/news/...on-jacksonville-beach/

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@ stokedpanda - what in the name of barney fife-florida man - is goin on up Jax beach

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Bamboo

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Dang, that is too much.
Could have ended much worse.

Conflict avoidance and de-escalation is a good life skill.
Just sayin'.


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Edited: 05/20/2023 at 06:41 AM by Bamboo
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garcia

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Sounds like Seb Inlet back when Jack Forte owned the Crow's Nest. He sold huge pyramid sinkers for the fishermen to lob at the surfers. It was a war zone for a while.
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JOESTRUMMER

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That crazy Shit went on sporadically even into the 80s . I got hooked twice , once on a finger and the other time in the forearm . Not condoning their behavior , but to be fair , the inlet was a Fish Camp WAY back in the 1930s ---so they were indeed the true locals and we surfers were very late to the party .https://streamline.imgix.net/22adde7d-09c0-4ce9-8cd1-351991e75e66/1485d082-98e7-4bea-8611-8067de585c3c/SID%20Archives%20-%201940%20November%2015%20-%20Melbourne%20Times%20Newpaper%20Ad-%20Sebastian%20Inlet%20Fishing%20Camp.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&w=2000&h=2000&fit=max&or=0&s=68d24acbfdcc9e090076d220eeb3d69e
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garcia

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True. Jack Forte got screwed when the State took over. He sued and sued, but lost and became a sympathetic character. Remember his "Baby Rattles" cage? My friends and I were camping down there in 1970 the week before school started back up. A huge storm came through and tore down our tent, so we broke into one of the cabins on the dunes to sleep. (No vandalism or anything, except the broken lock.) Cool setup back then.
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seaspray

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The only time you'll ever need a gun for surfing FL waves
 05/21/2023 05:50 AM
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Cole

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The pussification of America. I'll get my gun!



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 05/21/2023 08:34 AM
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The level of assclown you need to be to feel the need to "carry" while SURF FISHING is just incomprehensible to me!!

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It's alwasy the guy thats scared to actaully fight that gets his gun out.....and he's surf casting righ in front of the pier where everyone surfs- a true moron
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Cole

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No charges filed. If the guy disarmed him, then beat him to death on the beach, would he be charged?

Can you stand stand your ground? The surfer was most certainly in fear of his life.

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I think everybody has a fisherman story or two. I was at Playalinda #1 one morning surfing by myself. Some guys fishing were right at the steps and the drift and lefts kept pushing me down into them. I'd paddle away but they were not happy and were shouting at me etc. I lost my board (I like to surf without leash) and it washed most of the way in and they ran down like they were going to grab it. I swam hard and picked it up 20 yards off the beach, they were yelling that I should come on in and then bla bla bla. About that time about 5 or 6 other guys came down the steps and paddled out right where I was. Never so glad to see an instant crowd in my life, if half a dozen guys can be a crowd.

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 05/23/2023 05:08 AM
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I have to ask 'cause so far no one has told me a good enough reason.

Why do the fishermen set up right on the break?
Is it because they want their lines to float down into the channel between breaks?
I would think setting up in the channel would be better, but I also don't know how far the lines go.

I asked a buddy of mine who sometimes beach fishes and he said, "the same reason you want to surf on the break". I thought that was a pretty stupid answer because it isn't the same reason at all. Why would the fishermen care where it is breaking, the fish don't stay in the break.

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I'm no fisherman but, I think its basically that the fish chill\hang at the sandbars for both breeding and feeding purposes? And then the surfers.. We too are looking for the sandbar to make the wave have a defined \ catchable peak! The real and only question usually is "Who was there first" then it is up to the other to show human respect\kindness\mindfulness to the other. (I think?) lol

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 05/23/2023 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole

No charges filed. If the guy disarmed him, then beat him to death on the beach, would he be charged?



Can you stand stand your ground? The surfer was most certainly in fear of his life.


From what I can tell on the video, the surfer walked a significant way to confront the guy, if he indeed punched him in the face, no that is not stand your ground. It's being the aggressor.

(I like to surf without leash)


Wasn't it established on 2ndL that, that makes you a terrible person?

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seaspray

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Originally posted by: long_flaco1 I'm no fisherman but, I think its basically that the fish chill\hang at the sandbars for both breeding and feeding purposes? And then the surfers.. We too are looking for the sandbar to make the wave have a defined \ catchable peak! The real and only question usually is "Who was there first" then it is up to the other to show human respect\kindness\mindfulness to the other. (I think?) lol
That is true, fish congregate along the bars and rocks, and shadows, etc. the same types of beach features that are also favorable to surfing. But I'm willing to bet at least half of of these shore fishermen don't really know what they're doing, just like the surfing kooks, and just go where they see everybody else is at.
 05/23/2023 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by: seaspray

But I'm willing to bet at least half of of these shore fishermen don't really know what they're doing, just like the surfing kooks, and just go where they see everybody else is at.



Well, that part I believe....I swear half the fishermen just set up at the end of the walkway to the beach.

which is totally fine by me, I can walk. I just get frustrated when it seems like every thing breaking within walking distance already has a fisherman set up on it. It's hard to do the first-come-first-serve respect on those days.
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Wasn't it established on 2ndL that, that makes you a terrible person?
There are many fine reasons that I'm a terrible person (ask my wife). The whole "old guy without leash" thing would be the least among them. edit: forgot to say kinda fun this morning, check it

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Originally posted by: worksuxgetsponsered

Originally posted by: Cole



No charges filed. If the guy disarmed him, then beat him to death on the beach, would he be charged?







Can you stand stand your ground? The surfer was most certainly in fear of his life.




From what I can tell on the video, the surfer walked a significant way to confront the guy, if he indeed punched him in the face, no that is not stand your ground. It's being the aggressor.



(I like to surf without leash)




Wasn't it established on 2ndL that, that makes you a terrible person?


George went after Travon. George started losing to Travon. George shot Travon and killed him.

If I say something to someone without touching them and they attack me with a weapon, when does it switch? Now I am the one in mortal danger and can stand my ground, right? Or does it only apply to the guy with the gun?



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 05/24/2023 09:26 AM
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scombrid

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Video made it look like the fisherman was casting diagonal in the direction of surfers that weren't even directly in front of him. Fisher reminded me of the guy that shot someone outside a convenience store in clearwater. Guy carrying takes his carrying as license to be aggressive with the knowledge that if shit goes sideways he just whips out his gun. This is why in the not too distant past carrying was limited to trained officials or people that demonstrated real need and training.

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