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Created On: 02/16/2021 02:24 PM
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 02/17/2021 02:26 PM
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MyNameIsRobertPaulson

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Originally posted by: jdbman I said:" something needs to be done." I did not say this was the answer. I put it out there for consideration. But 2 of you are intellectually bankrupt. ? So yea See below:
speaking in euphemisms, with no real point, no logic, simply parroting what others have said, regardless if they themselves or the people they are parroting are "intellectually bankrupt." "If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off." dismissive attitude and no room for actual discourse? you sir, may need to check yourself
 02/17/2021 04:04 PM
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StirfryMcflurry

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 02/19/2021 03:44 AM
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wehorde

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Casual observation... RE - that pic

I have often wondered why South Florida or West Florida do not look like this, even though they have much higher population densities.

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Edited: 02/19/2021 at 03:45 AM by wehorde
 02/19/2021 04:55 AM
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worksuxgetsponsered

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An inlet there would change the entire makeup of the lagoon. It's naturally low flow, changing that will efff everything else up. Many unintended consequences.

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 02/19/2021 07:50 AM
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CurtisEflush

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Originally posted by: worksuxgetsponsered

An inlet there would change the entire makeup of the lagoon. It's naturally low flow, changing that will efff everything else up.


I'm curious how the other inlets, natural (Ponce) and man-made (Sebastian), as well as partial openings (Port Canaveral locks) affect water quality and ecosystem in the lagoon.

This Wikipedia article about Sebastian Inlet discusses concerns about water quality that area of the IRL more than 100 years ago.

It seems to me that we have better water "quality" (clarity) in general near the inlets, but a) I'm not sure exactly how that affects the overall ecosystem; and b) in areas with "bad water quality" near other inlets, is that more due to runoff from nearby civilization or drainage from more distant, rural farmlands and bodies of fresh water?

Obviously, we should and can protect the entire IRL from damage that originates west of it. Building an inlet solely as a quick fix that allows pollution from the west to continue is no answer.

There is also a question of urgency: How quickly must something be done before the lagoon reaches a "practical" point of no return? As long as it would take a new inlet to ever get constructed there, it might still happen faster and provide a quicker "marine revival" than fixes to the west, nearby at least. Would it have much impact on waters farther north, like the mangroves around KSC (MI Wildlife Refuge) and farther north (Mosquito Lagoon)?

Would locks be required at a new PAFB inlet to minimize hurricane surge and saltwater intrusion? In addition to dredging and building a bridge, adding locks would increase the cost even further. Would subterranean intrusion affect shallow-well sprinklers near the IRL to the point of ruining mansion landscapes, or affect nearby (drinking?) freshwater sources like Lake Poinsett and Lake Washington?

One might argue that if sea-level rise accelerates, the entire barrier island will be underwater, making the entire IRL part of the Atlantic Ocean anyway, before construction is finished.


Many unintended consequences.


As with everything, it's a gamble. Some of the surprise consequences may be good, some bad. Superbank, anyone? Old SI jetty bump?

I tend to agree in general about the unintended consequences more likely being bad than good. We do know for a fact that the intended consequences of cleaning up the "west side" will be good. A subliminally intended consequence is that it puts some restrictions on development across most of Central Florida, which we desperately need. Unfortunately, that's what makes it a hard sell to government and to landowners/developers with influence. As long as they can use our lagoon as their toilet and not have to pay anything to unclog it, that's what they'll do.

I don't know the answers; I'm just pointing out a few questions and factors that should be considered.
 02/19/2021 09:03 AM
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kreidel

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I always thought if we have a real bad Cat 5 roll through right there that would be a new inlet.

Hard to know what effects it would have even if it is researched and studied ad nauseam because I don't think we could factor in mother natures way of adjusting. We humans feel like we can control everything and then she smacks us with a natural disaster to try to put us in check.

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 02/19/2021 09:34 AM
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Cole

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I imagine tidal flow wouldn't be any more that a mile or two either direction, which would leave a great part of the lagoon unaffected. That and Sebastian wheezes the same water back and forth when the crap from C54 is released.

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Edited: 02/19/2021 at 09:35 AM by Cole
 02/19/2021 02:28 PM
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MyNameIsRobertPaulson

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literally none of this stuff matters... If it is good for real estate value it's gonna happen science, logic, reasoning, betterment of humanity, doesn't matter... if it's good for $ it's gonna happen.. NEXT
 02/19/2021 04:22 PM
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RE : Literally none of this stuff matters... If it is good for real estate value it's gonna happen science, logic, reasoning, betterment of humanity, doesn't matter... if it's good for $ it's gonna happen.. NEXT .............. : Truth spoken !

Edited: 02/19/2021 at 04:24 PM by JOESTRUMMER
 02/20/2021 03:28 AM
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tom

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IRL Symposium was this week. http://www.indianriverlagoon.org/symposium.html Buncha dang science geeks (guilty) talking about the Lagoon. One item being studied, a pump at Patrick to move seawater to the Lagoon. That flushes (double entendre) the Banana out Sebastian Inlet. Ew. Be careful what you wish for.

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 02/20/2021 04:30 AM
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Cole

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Pumps and inlets and flows oh my!

But green grass fails to be mentioned.

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 02/20/2021 06:07 AM
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tom

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Cole, the closest reasonable discussion I heard about source control was during q and a of keynote speaker Ed Phlips, UF. When asked about an Inlet, filter feeders, etc. as means to clean up the Lagoon, his answers were, paraphrased, "that could work or help but source control...". My interpretation anyway. Quick notes on source control: eliminate ornamental fertilization, require reuse water to meet surface water standards, tie in septic to sewer. It ain't rocket science.

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 02/20/2021 07:33 AM
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In Indian River County, it's turning out that getting lawns away from seawalls by even a few feet, with buffers of no-fertilizer naitve plants, is sufficient to help local water clarity.
 02/20/2021 12:51 PM
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Cole

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Originally posted by: tom

Cole, the closest reasonable discussion I heard about source control was during q and a of keynote speaker Ed Phlips, UF. When asked about an Inlet, filter feeders, etc. as means to clean up the Lagoon, his answers were, paraphrased, "that could work or help but source control...". My interpretation anyway. Quick notes on source control: eliminate ornamental fertilization, require reuse water to meet surface water standards, tie in septic to sewer. It ain't rocket science.


Source control is the only real option and that's not going to happen with the current "climate" in this state.


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 02/21/2021 06:34 AM
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SurfCaster

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Let's get this proposal together with the First Peak Project and the Guvment, throw a few billion bucks at them. What could go wrong?

Maybe in the meantime we should quit flowing stuff into the lagoon (it's not a river!) that turns it green.

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 02/21/2021 06:40 AM
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wehorde "Casual observation... RE - that pic

I have often wondered why South Florida or West Florida do not look like this, even though they have much higher population densities."


They don't sit at the northern end of a lagoon?



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Edited: 02/21/2021 at 06:45 AM by SurfCaster
 02/21/2021 08:54 AM
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Cole

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The outflow from Okeechobee turns everything it touches into a nightmare, right down to toxic algae. There is a reason they hold the lake water high in election season. Green sludge flowing by million dollar homes is bad politics.



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Edited: 02/21/2021 at 08:57 AM by Cole
 02/21/2021 09:15 AM
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By product....... of the Brevard county forefathers wanting everyone to move there? It was an amazing place - back in the day...

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 02/21/2021 10:10 AM
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An inlet produces tidal flow for up to 7 miles away from what I have read. The dilution from clean ocean water should help reduce the algae blooms to some degree which is needed so the little remaining sea grass can get light during it's growing season. Some argue the salinity of ocean water would cause issues with sea grass growth as well. At this point there isn't much to lose. An inlet won't address the source of the issue, but it would buy us time to address those issues. The needed changes will take years if not decades and cooperation from multiple counties and cities. With the population growth and complexity of pollution sources I believe we are already past the point of being able fix the issue. Hope I'm wrong.
 02/21/2021 05:55 PM
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"An inlet produces tidal flow for up to 7 miles away from what I have read. The dilution from clean ocean water should help reduce the algae blooms to some degree which is needed so the little remaining sea grass can get light during it's growing season. Some argue the salinity of ocean water would cause issues with sea grass growth as well. At this point there isn't much to lose. An inlet won't address the source of the issue, but it would buy us time to address those issues. The needed changes will take years if not decades and cooperation from multiple counties and cities. With the population growth and complexity of pollution sources I believe we are already past the point of being able fix the issue. Hope I'm wrong." foamball


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