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Topic Title: The first insurrectionist to take a plea....
Topic Summary: Now wants to withdraw that plea as a forgery.
Created On: 09/16/2021 07:06 AM
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 The first insurrectionist to take a plea....   - Cole - 09/17/2021 03:39 AM  
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 The first insurrectionist to take a plea....   - Sniper - 09/17/2021 06:21 AM  
 The first insurrectionist to take a plea....   - RiddleMe - 09/17/2021 07:10 AM  
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 The first insurrectionist to take a plea....   - Sniper - 09/20/2021 06:53 AM  
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http://www.politico.com/news/2...a-deal-forgery-511912

>>Hodgkins was charged with felony obstruction of Congress for breaching the Capitol and making his way to the floor of the Senate, where images show him donning gloves and rifling through some papers left in the evacuated room. He pleaded guilty to the charge in June, while being represented by attorney Patrick Leduc, a JAG Reserve officer who later deployed to Qatar, where he is assisting with Afghan refugee rescue operations.


Moss sentenced Hodgkins in July to an eight-month jail term, far below the government's recommended 16-month sentence, an acknowledgment that Hodgkins was among the first to accept responsibility for his role in the breach. But Hodgkins' new claim puts the matter into turmoil.

Hodgkins had asked Moss to delay his jail sentence, which is set to begin on Sept. 20, until January, giving him time to mount his effort to unwind the plea agreement. But Moss rejected that attempt Wednesday afternoon, saying Hodgkins "has not demonstrated good cause for the requested four-month delay."

His new attorney, Carolyn Stewart, made the forgery allegation during a hearing called by Moss to address Hodgkins' claim that Leduc provided ineffective counsel. She said she retained handwriting expert Curt Baggett to review the document and confirmed that it was not Hodgkins' signature on the agreement. Baggett, she said, would be willing to testify to it in court.

Stewart suggested that the allegedly forged signature was one of many irregularities tainting the case.

"It's mind boggling," the defense attorney said, mentioning that she is attuned to such patterns because of her work as an intelligence analyst in Afghanistan. "These kinds of things keep popping up ... I'm floored."


LeDuc said in an email to POLITICO that the claim of a forged signature was "insane" and that he painstakingly reviewed the deal with Hodgkins.<<

This is why a first year attorney with no experience in federal court should not be jumping into a case for political reasons. She and her client have alleged that the signature on his plea is forged, they paid a handwriting expert to conclude that its not the defendant's signature and they believe that by withdrawing the plea, they will be able to get a better deal.

They could not be more wrong. THey have accused the previous attorney of forgery, he is an active member of the military and JAG advocate. The plea was made in open Court and those written pleas are a backup. The actual plea is when the Judge goes over the facts, the terms and conditions and his rights waiver in line by line detail. All of this, of course, is under oath, that same oath he swore when he filed his motion to withdraw the plea. His lawyer will be, in the very least, disciplined, referred to the bar and possibly charged for suborning perjury. THe Defendant will be in the very least threatened with perjury charges and probably end up testifying that the whole thing was the newer lawyer's idea and he just went along with it. This is no place to throw shit at the walls and see what sticks. Soon they will go from up shit's creek to shit out of luck.




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 09/16/2021 07:15 AM
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The dregs of society these qotards.

Thanks johnnyboy.

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Yeah, I agree. Seems like a dumb move to me.

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No problem. Take it to trial.

Broadcast it Live. Every News show.

Show him entering the Capitol.

Show him doing the things he claimed he didn't do. Throw the book at him.

Set the precedent (president?) for all the other traitorous insurrectionists.
 09/16/2021 07:41 AM
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Federal court is a very formal environment. To call it a stacked deck is an understatement. This guy got a good deal with 8 months because he was the first. He could have gotten the Government's recommendation for more than a year. Had he gone to trial and lost, he would have gotten many years. Now he may even have additional charges, and they will be enhanced because they were committed during his sentence. So screwed.

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 09/16/2021 08:10 AM
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Is this the guy who was arrested with his mom, who is a senior citizen?

If so, he should be convicted of being shitty at planning insurrections.

Who goes insurrecting without guns or a plan? Everyone knows that you leave your mom at home when you go insurrecting.

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Originally posted by: Sniper

Is this the guy who was arrested with his mom, who is a senior citizen?



If so, he should be convicted of being shitty at planning insurrections.



Who goes insurrecting without guns or a plan? Everyone knows that you leave your mom at home when you go insurrecting.


Well done Snipe, that's funniest post I've read all day. Seriously.

"leave your mom at home when you go insurrecting" - LOL

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Originally posted by: Sniper Who goes insurrecting without guns or a plan?


Yup- that's him Officer. Right over there..



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 09/16/2021 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Sniper

Is this the guy who was arrested with his mom, who is a senior citizen?

If so, he should be convicted of being shitty at planning insurrections.

Who goes insurrecting without guns or a plan? Everyone knows that you leave your mom at home when you go insurrecting.


Nobody said these were the smartest people... Just look who their "leader" was, and what he said about them:

"I love the uneducated!"
 09/16/2021 07:51 AM
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yes page. the QOP managers (Qrump, Qim Quilfoyle, Qellyanne) know that the longer this lives the worse for them.

QOP faithful caught in the cross-hairs as their heroes need their support and they will never get a date with Marge without supporting...

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Damn, Greenie speaks excellent Q.

He should put together the Rosetta Stone "Speak Fluent Q in 2 Weeks" curiculum.
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Yes, you should leave your mom when storming the capitol, blowing past the police and fighting with them as you yell for Pence to be hung from the gallows you erected, but.... these are red hat dip shit trumpers. That means stupid isn't just what they do, its who they are. I can see you were trying to insinuate that this guy was smart and was not aware of an insurrection, which is why he brought his mom. This argument does not follow. His mom is likely a dip shit herself and raised a dip shit. The son dip shit would absolutely bring his dip shit mom to an insurrection just so he wouldn't have to explain it to her later. He wouldn't bring guns because he knows DC could stop and charge him. The guys that brought guns kept them near but not on them.

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"No I am sorry Paulie but I'm going to go insurrectioning with you or you're moving out of my basement and that's final." "OH MOM! Really?!?"

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Is his mom's name karen?
Remember horny hat q-ueer bait boy complaining about prison food?
His mommy was worried about his sensitive tummy, wanted to send him his special diet of rabbit pellets and twinkies.

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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

Yes, you should leave your mom when storming the capitol, blowing past the police and fighting with them as you yell for Pence to be hung from the gallows you erected, but.... these are red hat dip shit trumpers. That means stupid isn't just what they do, its who they are. I can see you were trying to insinuate that this guy was smart and was not aware of an insurrection, which is why he brought his mom. This argument does not follow. His mom is likely a dip shit herself and raised a dip shit. The son dip shit would absolutely bring his dip shit mom to an insurrection just so he wouldn't have to explain it to her later. He wouldn't bring guns because he knows DC could stop and charge him. The guys that brought guns kept them near but not on them.


Maybe we just have different understandings of the words "storming" and "blowing past".



In this one you can even hear the CIA spooks yelling "THIS WAY....THIS WAY...THIS WAY..."



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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: johnnyboy



Yes, you should leave your mom when storming the capitol, blowing past the police and fighting with them as you yell for Pence to be hung from the gallows you erected, but.... these are red hat dip shit trumpers. That means stupid isn't just what they do, its who they are. I can see you were trying to insinuate that this guy was smart and was not aware of an insurrection, which is why he brought his mom. This argument does not follow. His mom is likely a dip shit herself and raised a dip shit. The son dip shit would absolutely bring his dip shit mom to an insurrection just so he wouldn't have to explain it to her later. He wouldn't bring guns because he knows DC could stop and charge him. The guys that brought guns kept them near but not on them.




Maybe we just have different understandings of the words "storming" and "blowing past".







In this one you can even hear the CIA spooks yelling "THIS WAY....THIS WAY...THIS WAY..."





You forgot some vids, Whipper Snipper...



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Shame on that man. Which is what people said for so long seeing his dipshit tattoos and Viking hat. Eventually that just started to sound like shaman, and after that, he was the Q shaman.

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This dude's Mom is an even bigger dotard than he is (google it). which is likely why the guy.is such a trainwreck,

and more than.likely a large part of why he's in such deep shit now.

Mother of the Year for sure.



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The shithead traitor deserves the slammer. So glad he's going rogue and his attorney is a loon.

Q speak is easy theQlide. All K's, C's, G's, T's and all other letters can be replaced with Q or q. PS anyone that believes anything Q related is a fucking dipshit.

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Would they overlook the new lawyer's bullshit if this was a BLM defendant?

Why are they being nice? Hell, why were there no arrests on the day that it happened. Riots usually generate arrests, do they not?

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You are eating that right wing propaganda up. I really didn't expect people to be so fucking stupid, but I guess the narrative shift is working on the idiots. Breaking in windows, busting doors, pepper/bear spraying police officers, engaging in melee with police officers, and actively seeking out the democrats they were told were responsible for all the evil in the world. That isn't a walk in the fucking park you stupid fuck.

If some of those clowns had actually found Pelosi, AOC, or any of the other Dems the rightwing hate machine have blamed for all their troubles, some horrible shit would have happened. That was an angry mob being spurned on by a narcissistic wanna-be totalitarian fool.

You have very obviously never been involved with trying to contain an angry mob and have not ever bore witness to what happens when the situation gets out of control.



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So, January 6th was an "insurrection" and the George Floyd protests were "mostly peaceful" and I'm the one who is eating up the propaganda? Oh, boy... SMH



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Originally posted by: Sniper
So, January 6th was an "insurrection" and the George Floyd protests were "mostly peaceful" and I'm the one who is eating up the propaganda? Oh, boy... SMH


The problem with making that statement while replying to me is that I never said those protests were peaceful. I also said on these very boards that they were counterproductive and the violence, looting, arson, and hurting innocent people was not the answer. I also got into several arguments with a few people that were in support of it, on these very boards.

In short, take your misapplied what-aboutism nonsense and direct that fucking shit somewhere it actually applies. While you are at it, try getting your head out of your ass.
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Originally posted by: RiddleMe

Originally posted by: Sniper

So, January 6th was an "insurrection" and the George Floyd protests were "mostly peaceful" and I'm the one who is eating up the propaganda? Oh, boy... SMH



The problem with making that statement while replying to me is that I never said those protests were peaceful. I also said on these very boards that they were counterproductive and the violence, looting, arson, and hurting innocent people was not the answer. I also got into several arguments with a few people that were in support of it, on these very boards.

In short, take your misapplied what-aboutism nonsense and direct that fucking shit somewhere it actually applies. While you are at it, try getting your head out of your ass.


Please stop typing like an angry woman speaks. It makes my head hurt.

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Oh look! The Swiper-Go-Round is back on

Round and round and round it goes..

doot doot dootle dootle doot doot dooo dooo



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Originally posted by: Sniper
Please stop typing like an angry woman speaks. It makes my head hurt.


If your head is hurting, it is probably from a tumor impairing your cognitive ability. You should get that checked out because you are pretty close to becoming non-functional.
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Originally posted by: RiddleMe

Originally posted by: Sniper

Please stop typing like an angry woman speaks. It makes my head hurt.


If your head is hurting, it is probably from a tumor impairing your cognitive ability. You should get that checked out because you are pretty close to becoming non-functional.


Don't worry. I know better than to tell you to calm down.

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Originally posted by: Sniper

So, January 6th was an "insurrection" and the George Floyd protests were "mostly peaceful" and I'm the one who is eating up the propaganda? Oh, boy...




Mostly peaceful until the White Supremacists and other MAGAtards began showing up...

Minneapolis police say 'Umbrella Man' was a white supremacist trying to incite George Floyd rioting

https://www.startribune.com/po...oyd-rioting/571932272/

A masked man who was seen in a viral video smashing the windows of a south Minneapolis auto parts store during the George Floyd protests, earning him the moniker "Umbrella Man," is suspected of ties with a white supremacist group and sought to incite racial tension, police said.

A Minneapolis police arson investigator said the act of vandalism at the AutoZone on E. Lake Street helped spark a chain reaction that led to days of looting and rioting. The store was among dozens of buildings across the city that burned to the ground in the days that followed.

"This was the first fire that set off a string of fires and looting throughout the precinct and the rest of the city," Sgt. Erika Christensen wrote in a search warrant affidavit filed in court this week. "Until the actions of the person your affiant has been calling 'Umbrella Man,' the protests had been relatively peaceful. The actions of this person created an atmosphere of hostility and tension. Your affiant believes that this individual's sole aim was to incite violence."








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Maybe these posers should take some lessons on insurrection from the people in the streets.

I mean just because your "insurrection" was limp and impotent doesn't mean there aren't consequences.

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It is pretty funny to infer emotion from written text on a forum where people troll each other. Generally the person doing it is just projecting.
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Why does sniper defend the riots at the capital and condemn the riots at the protests?

Why does sniper keep posting pictures of people walking around the capital before the violence started?

I mean, there are dozens of videos of people being beaten on the steps, so why the gaslighting?

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Were the clown even supposed to be in the rooms that the cams clearly show them in? Open and closed shut case IMO... Nothing more needs being said....

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Were the George Floyd protests trying to overthrow the lawfully elected government of the Unoted States" Or preventng a lawfully elected President from being placed into power? Chalk and cheese.. They deserve the book thrown at them and more - lucky that they don't get a blindfold choice..

What will happen when a democratic group riots - way more in size and widespread nationwide - the next time a republican prez gets elected - but not with a clear popular majority - and is only there because of a feeble concept like the electoral college - that's inevitable IMO... Want to set a precident here? Please do.. Open the floodgates... And you can bet that the D party will be in power for that event..

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The real story.



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Snippy knows when he posts those videos that the others are coming. I'm surprised he's still dying on that hill.

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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

Snippy knows when he posts those videos that the others are coming. I'm surprised he's still dying on that hill.


Did you even watch the video? In Cole's video people are just talking to cops for the most part. Those are cameras and phones, not guns.

The 6-month FBI investigation found that there was no coordination behind the riot on January 6th, none of these people had a plan, and hardly any of them had weapons. So, if you want to get all dramatic about some yahoos taking selfies in the Capitol then have at it.


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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: johnnyboy



Snippy knows when he posts those videos that the others are coming. I'm surprised he's still dying on that hill.




Did you even watch the video? In Cole's video people are just talking to cops for the most part. Those are cameras and phones, not guns.



The 6-month FBI investigation found that there was no coordination behind the riot on January 6th, none of these people had a plan, and hardly any of them had weapons. So, if you want to get all dramatic about some yahoos taking selfies in the Capitol then have at it.


"Just talking to cops." You didn't watch the videos of them crushing the cops and breaking through the doors under gun point and cops shouting to get back and stop which lead to the death of one "peaceful protester".
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The Swiper-Go-round is back on I see..

the carnival is getting started early today







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Yes. I watched the videos. One video might be chosen out of context to give an impression that is limited to that one video. It's just like news sources. More is better. With the addition of the many videos I saw at the impeachment proceedings, I concluded yours are are certainly part of it the way a walk through the woods is in a scary movie. You only watched the walk. You're going to be so mad when you see what else those people did. Context is everything here.

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Originally posted by: johnnyboy

Yes. I watched the videos. One video might be chosen out of context to give an impression that is limited to that one video. It's just like news sources. More is better. With the addition of the many videos I saw at the impeachment proceedings, I concluded yours are are certainly part of it the way a walk through the woods is in a scary movie. You only watched the walk. You're going to be so mad when you see what else those people did. Context is everything here.


Give me a f'ing break. Had these been the same insurrectionists who tried to burn the federal courthouse in Portland, and they had gotten inside the building, Congress would not have been back in session the same day.


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 09/20/2021 07:45 AM
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RiddleMe

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140 police officers were injured during the insurrection. I guess blue lives only matter when it fits the propaganda narrative.
 09/20/2021 07:48 AM
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johnnyboy

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No. The hurt feelings don't count, just ask snippy, he posted a video before it got ugly and he's telling everyone how wonderful it was.

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