From Indialantic to Pineda Causeway!

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That's why they dropped it....
.... everyone thought it was 55


A1A speed limit will drop from 45 to 35 mph May 1 from Pineda Causeway to Indialantic



Ticket paradise, gonna be some tickets given out.





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Edited: 04/28/2020 at 04:34 AM by dingpatch

This is garbage. A1A is a HIGHWAY. We all built our houses next to A1A, not the other way around. Learn (and teach your children) how to cross the road safely and this wouldn't be a problem. It's like people building their house next to an airport and complaining about the sound. Just another example of "I'm here now, time to change the rules because I'm important." I learned/was taught to cross A1A safely when it was 2 lane and backed up to the Cape every afternoon (and I was only 7).

Speed Limit is not included in the definition of a Highway: The term highway includes roads, streets, and parkways and all their appurtenances (23 U.S.C. 101). By fhwa.

This speed limit reduction falls in line with the SCTPO adoption of VisionZero

Pedestrian survivability when hit by a motor vehicle is a order of magnitude higher at 45mph compared to 35mph.

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Edited: 04/28/2020 at 11:11 AM by dab

Regurgitating what you've heard stated about other topics with no applicability here. A1A was built BECAUSE there are people here. As someone that drives A1A daily the fact is - people are nothing but just a bunch of rude a$$holes these days who are in a big ass hurry to get everywhere. Its punch the gas if there's a yellow light, punch the gas if you might get stopped by a crosswalk. Ride the ass of the car in front of you that is going the speed limit or maybe even slightly over. There is no speed that is fast enough for most. Their objective while driving is to get in front of the car in front of them. Zig and zag thru the traffic because everyone but you is a bunch of idiots. This is what I see everyday as a 46 year old speed limit, paying attention, not on my phone driver. The people I described are the people you can thank for this. And you can thank their parents for raising a bunch of un-polilte, mannerless, self serving shitheads.............. I dont want to be driving 35 either, but with as bad as things have gotten, I will take it. The funny thing is, to go from Pineda to 192 on A1A and driving as I described, vs just chilling and driving the speed limit might gain you 2 minutes in time on average.

OMG, These are my thoughts EXACTLY, in fact I have been saying this for a couple years now. You can't even blame it on the actions of a few, it is WAY MORE than just a few. My latest peeve, that you did not mention. These f'rs try to time the pedestrians travel in the crosswalk so they never come to a complete stop, they just keep moving/turning, trying to get as close as they can to the last ped, without hitting them, as they go by. You can't wait for the ped to get to the sidewalk?

Breaker breaker line break. Me neither. Noticed the pinball bumpers in the crosswalks are looking worse for wear after only one weekend. Followed a truck pulling a backhoe on a pretty wide trailer yesterday, he hit one at almost every crosswalk from 192 to Eau Gallie. I expect them to last about another couple of weeks at best. Um, how much did we pay for those? ack. Oh, and I do the long commute on A1A too. Thirty Five? Ya, it a deserved payback. Get used to it.

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followed a cement mixer truck who hit every marker along Indi...They can take a hit a just flip right back up (as designed)...Will they last...I think so, they will be marked up real bad but they appear to be mounted correctly to be hit...NOW why can't a normal driver just cruise through them, why do so many people slow down or crawl through? Are the drivers that bad at going straight, is everyone impaired?...I drive a full sized pickup, no problem , no need to slow down just DRIVE THROUGH no need to brake...please lay on your horns when you see this...it's dangerous to have someone slow or stop when No-one is using the X-walk

They really shouldn't be in the middle of the road. The one that is needs to be removed.

I did the math (using a web app, ha!) and it adds approximately 3.5 minutes to the commute over the 9 miles.

Edited: 04/28/2020 at 10:59 AM by Greensleeves

35 MPH? LOL good f'in luck. They will do about as great a job policing that as they did keeping people off the beach ..

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It's on, and it's a cluster. I saw 3 cops in IHB w/ cars pulled over on a short trip this morning.

seems like in my stretch of A1A, 45mph meant 50 - 55mph...so I am guessing 35 will equal 40-45 mph...Ah, I still remember the days of running 60mph all they way to the inlet after Mel Bch. Things changed when Billie ran over and killed Red on his scooter...I miss Red working the gate at SI.

WTF did they sneak out in the middle of the night and put those yellow posts up at the crosswalks to add to the madness? What a shit show....

Police everywhere! I bailed and went OTB at Eau Gallie to US1. This change seems pretty extreme and over reactionary. They also put a post on the center line. An extra little bonus needle to thread on our commute......Why didn't they just change the yellow flashing lights to red and see how that would work?

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SurferMic, 48 years ago, when I went to Monster Hole every day (or a secret spot further south), , , , I'd hit the top of the inlet bridge doing 90.

twinfin62, No, not near as bad as it could be. They could have put 4-way stops at the intersections of every side street!!

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S. A1A was designed for, and used to have, a speed limit of 65 mph. And, just wait, they will have those 4-way stops someday, just like Miami. That's what many are gunning for. (Of course, they will take their real estate/developer money and retire to Maggie Valley, as Carl Langford did after he brought The Mouse here.)

Nanny state is here

Unless they have since 2009 or will adopt another metric 4 way stops are not supported by the MUTCD along the section in question.

Chapter 2B - MUTCD 2009 Edition - FHWA

Section 2B.07 Multi-Way Stop Applications
Support:
01 Multi-way stop control can be useful as a safety measure at intersections if certain traffic conditions exist. Safety concerns associated with multi-way stops include pedestrians, bicyclists, and all road users expecting other road users to stop. Multi-way stop control is used where the volume of traffic on the intersecting roads is approximately equal.
02 The restrictions on the use of STOP signs described in Section 2B.04 also apply to multi-way stop applications.
Guidance:
03 The decision to install multi-way stop control should be based on an engineering study.
04 The following criteria should be considered in the engineering study for a multi-way STOP sign installation:
Where traffic control signals are justified, the multi-way stop is an interim measure that can be installed quickly to control traffic while arrangements are being made for the installation of the traffic control signal.
Five or more reported crashes in a 12-month period that are susceptible to correction by a multi-way stop installation. Such crashes include right-turn and left-turn collisions as well as right-angle collisions.
Minimum volumes:
The vehicular volume entering the intersection from the major street approaches (total of both approaches) averages at least 300 vehicles per hour for any 8 hours of an average day; and
The combined vehicular, pedestrian, and bicycle volume entering the intersection from the minor street approaches (total of both approaches) averages at least 200 units per hour for the same 8 hours, with an average delay to minor-street vehicular traffic of at least 30 seconds per vehicle during the highest hour; but
If the 85th-percentile approach speed of the major-street traffic exceeds 40 mph, the minimum vehicular volume warrants are 70 percent of the values provided in Items 1 and 2.
Where no single criterion is satisfied, but where Criteria B, C.1, and C.2 are all satisfied to 80 percent of the minimum values. Criterion C.3 is excluded from this condition.
Option:
05 Other criteria that may be considered in an engineering study include:
The need to control left-turn conflicts;
The need to control vehicle/pedestrian conflicts near locations that generate high pedestrian volumes;
Locations where a road user, after stopping, cannot see conflicting traffic and is not able to negotiate the intersection unless conflicting cross traffic is also required to stop; and
An intersection of two residential neighborhood collector (through) streets of similar design and operating characteristics where multi-way stop control would improve traffic operational characteristics of the intersection.

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Section 2B.04 Right-of-Way at Intersections
Support:
01 State or local laws written in accordance with the "Uniform Vehicle Code" (see Section 1A.11) establish the right-of-way rule at intersections having no regulatory traffic control signs such that the driver of a vehicle approaching an intersection must yield the right-of-way to any vehicle or pedestrian already in the intersection. When two vehicles approach an intersection from different streets or highways at approximately the same time, the right-of-way rule requires the driver of the vehicle on the left to yield the right-of-way to the vehicle on the right. The right-of-way can be modified at through streets or highways by placing YIELD (R1-2) signs (see Sections 2B.08 and 2B.09) or STOP (R1-1) signs (see Sections 2B.05 through 2B.07) on one or more approaches.
Guidance:
02 Engineering judgment should be used to establish intersection control. The following factors should be considered:
Vehicular, bicycle, and pedestrian traffic volumes on all approaches;
Number and angle of approaches;
Approach speeds;
Sight distance available on each approach; and
Reported crash experience.
03 YIELD or STOP signs should be used at an intersection if one or more of the following conditions exist:
An intersection of a less important road with a main road where application of the normal right-of-way rule would not be expected to provide reasonable compliance with the law;
A street entering a designated through highway or street; and/or
An unsignalized intersection in a signalized area.
04 In addition, the use of YIELD or STOP signs should be considered at the intersection of two minor streets or local roads where the intersection has more than three approaches and where one or more of the following conditions exist:
The combined vehicular, bicycle, and pedestrian volume entering the intersection from all approaches averages more than 2,000 units per day;
The ability to see conflicting traffic on an approach is not sufficient to allow a road user to stop or yield in compliance with the normal right-of-way rule if such stopping or yielding is necessary; and/or
Crash records indicate that five or more crashes that involve the failure to yield the right-of-way at the intersection under the normal right-of-way rule have been reported within a 3-year period, or that three or more such crashes have been reported within a 2-year period.
05 YIELD or STOP signs should not be used for speed control.
Support:
06 Section 2B.07 contains provisions regarding the application of multi-way STOP control at an intersection.
Guidance:
07 Once the decision has been made to control an intersection, the decision regarding the appropriate roadway to control should be based on engineering judgment. In most cases, the roadway carrying the lowest volume of traffic should be controlled.
08 A YIELD or STOP sign should not be installed on the higher volume roadway unless justified by an engineering study.
Support:
09 The following are considerations that might influence the decision regarding the appropriate roadway upon which to install a YIELD or STOP sign where two roadways with relatively equal volumes and/or characteristics intersect:
Controlling the direction that conflicts the most with established pedestrian crossing activity or school walking routes;
Controlling the direction that has obscured vision, dips, or bumps that already require drivers to use lower operating speeds; and
Controlling the direction that has the best sight distance from a controlled position to observe conflicting traffic.


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FDOT - Our Mission

The department will provide a safe transportation system that ensures the mobility of people and goods, enhances economic prosperity, and preserves the quality of our environment and communities.

The primary mission objective is in bold. It is not currently about moving vehicles. That appears to be the paradigm of transportation engineering firms too.

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I for one am happy about it. I live on Ellwood where the little gal got dead. Can't tell you how many times I have had drivers speed up at me when I was crossing. I too come from the era when you could put your and between the racks and board going to Sebastian cause you were flat haul'n ass. Like ol Bobby Zimmerman said "the times they are a'changin"

Sooo....

A1A is 35 MPH with four lanes from Pineda down to 5th Ave. Indialantic.

THEN south of 5th Ave, it changes to only TWO lanes, but UP to 40 MPH?



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my guess is residents of Melbourne beach know how to cross a street without the government telling them how

I never go over 45 anyway. I'm sure many of you recall the Satty Beach cops back in the day. Those mofos still have me spooked.

Actually, now that I think about, it's nearly impossible to go over 45 considering your stupid ass red lights won't let me. I drive all over hell and back and the lights from Pineda to Boardwalk are the absolute worst. Nothing like a four minute wait at a small side street for cars that aren't there, then another four minute wait for more non cars at the next light. If you guys didn't have better waves, a soccer game i like to play and weren't the easy way to get to Inlet, I'd skip the stupid place all together.

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Found a graphic mockup of the new A1A improvements for later this year (14 flashing crosswalks not shown) :



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Edited: 05/01/2020 at 09:28 PM by fishkller

Driving down A1A today, they have created a much more dangerous situation than we previously had without all the signs. With the addition of the vertical markers in the middle of the road and on the sides it has gotten ridiculous. I have seen multiple near accidents in the last 24hours. Pedestrians are also now just relying on the signs and walking out into oncoming traffic expecting the vehicles to just stop, even without activating the blinking lights. Lots of distracted drivers out there. With the addition of all these markers it will eventually produce sign fatigue causing a much more perilous situation. Common sense did not prevail on this project. It has become downright dangerous to navigate A1A.

Did someone expect it to? & its goin on everywhere.

Yea, this is nuts. There were cars almost coming to a complete stop when they were passing though the crosswalks and there was no one crossing. I drove the full distance from Melbourne to Cocoa beach and there wasn't a single crossing that didn't have damage to at least one pylon and the things hadn't even been up for 36 hours. This is not going to end well.


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How the hell do you get paragraphs to show up on this format? Some time back, I called the chief and talked to him about how they lost the "gauntlet" status. And now not only was it speeding, but people blatantly running the crosswalks because their self serving assholes. He explained that they have less # of police than that era and, of course, there's more traffic. They had a number of long term officers with maxed out salaries just retire and they hired a more officers at lower salaries. I dont know if it was lip service, but he said expect that reputation of old you are talking about to make it back over the course of the summer. This was all pre covid so who knows, but that is what he told me.

This forum has line break issues depending on what you are using. I have the newest version of Firefox and the breaks work for me. There used to be a thread on this issue, but I can't recall where.

The Satty cops don't have to step up enforcement because it is now impossible to go more than 35 through the bowling alley. The pylons will be smashed out of existence within two weeks and I fear what they will come up with next.



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Meanwhile i am on the latest version of firefox and the line breaks dont work for me. Line Break. Line Break. See

Are you affiliated with the FDOT? My hope for Desantis was that he would dismantle this failed organization from the top down. Fire every single person and start over because this is the most pathetic state agency we have and they keep moving farther and farther in the WRONG direction. It is not possible to pull a legal sized trailer between their stupid middle of the lane, erratically spaced signs. I wacked at least 60-75% of them. When I have a blowout or damage my trailer I will be documenting and sending them the bill. Horrible situation for people that drag trailers up/down A1A. Its absolutely pathetic.

No I don't. The best course of action is to address the SCTPO, the municipality and FDOT District 5 in an E-mail indicating that your legal sized trailer will not fit thru the "gauntlet" on A1A, etc. etc.. This A1A Action Plan has been in the works for several years. Expect more traffic calming engineering in the future. You can subscribe to FDOT and SCTPO E-mails to keep up with the near term and long term transportation plans.

A1A Action Plan

SCTPO Contact website

FDOT District 5

Here is a link to the public presentation: Pedestrian Safety Collaboration on S.R. A1A


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Complaints may equal 4 way stops all the way through the 9 miles....let them figure out they need to remove the middle slap stick and change yellow lights to red...otherwise it's going to be like drive PCH through Huntington Bch...My stretch of A!A I cross has no stop lights nearby so I have been caught for 5-10 mins waiting for both sides to clear cars speeding fast from Paradise light to the next light at Long Doggers, no way will I wait in the center lane with cars going on avg 50-55 (now 40-45). What you may get if you complain could be way worse than what we have now.

Been taking South Patrick a lot more lately, gladly cruise controlled at 40mph. Scariest part of driving on A1A now is that I'll be following someone at 35mph and they'll slam their brakes in front of me and then I'll be liable if there is damage. Line break Test Line break

Doing 54 mph on A1A was too fast south of Hightower anyway. Now people can do 44 if they want to push it. Much better IMO.

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Waiting for waves is ok......most people spend their lives waiting for nothing.

Glad to have the new speed limit and the crosswalks operational. Although the middle thing may be a bit much.. I'll take it. Hopefully we have fewer pedestrian deaths.

Too many people in too small of a space.

I don't know, there is so much going on at those crosswalks people are getting confused and freaking out. Personally, I think a game of Frogger across A1A is safer.

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We are going to end up with more accidents and more than likely increased auto vs pedestrian events with the crosswalks as they are currently setup. There continues to be a ton of people who don't activate the blinking lights but walk right out into oncoming traffic expecting the cars to just stop. Then, as others have mentioned, many cars are stopping at each one regardless of whether there are people crossing or not. This will end up in multiple rear end collisions. I am all for safety and as a parent with a few kids it was much safer just teaching them to cross A1A when there was no cars coming from either direction which is what I will continue to tell them. Many drivers on their phones who won't be paying attention to just wander out in front of, blinking lights or not. Epic fail by our elected officials.

"I am all for safety and as a parent with a few kids it was much safer just teaching them to cross A1A when there was no cars coming from either direction which is what I will continue to tell them." Absolutely! I am soooo glad to read someone with common sense.

That too.

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Today 5-5, update on the crosswalk pinball bumpers, 192 to Eau Gallie: Two down, flattened, one at an angle hanging by a thread. All three are the ones in the center of the lanes.

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Hell, that's better than expected.

I'll put a ten spot down that an outsider gets the ax within the week.

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Pre-crosswalk I said I would never use them. I still think they are a horrible implementation. But the fact of the matter is, covid isolation withstanding, there's just too much traffic here now to practically wait for a clear shot which is what I always did prior. Sometimes on a weekend or anytime around 5 PM, you could be waiting for 10 mins.
like it or not, if you hit the button and wait for all 4 lanes to be stopped, it is fairly safe. Obviously requires diligence and paying attention, but I have started doing that vs waiting forever.
dab - I know you posted some info about this some while back when I had a thread on here about the A1A redoing when they first put them in. The fact is, contacting the FDOT is useless. They do nothing based on citizen input and if it wasnt clear before, it should be crystal clear now this is the most pathetic failure of an organization that could be assembled. I mean you think they are going to say "oh sorry we didnt think of that let us get out there and widen them". What is the point of contacting them. There is ZERO accountability. It is going to take this getting on Desantis radar, which means all the cities are going to have to take this to the county and push it up and that is unlkely to happen.
I intend to alter my route to Riverside, but its closed with yet another construction project that is slated thru July 2021.
My trailer tires have white marks all over the sidewalls, the weakest point on the tire. For like 2 minutes it was kind of funny, now its just stressful. Someone should be held accountable.

Try these contacts at FDOT.


Mary Anne Koos
Coordinator Special Projects FDOT
maryanne.koos@dot.state.fl.us




Steve Olson
Public Relations Officer FDOT
steve.olson@dot.state.fl.us


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Drove through this joke of an upgrade today.

I've seen alot of stupid shit come out of the south, but this has gotta be the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Those pinball bumpers haven't even been up for a week and I saw 3-4 of them destroyed on Northbound A1A. One was laying across the lanes- a clear traffic danger.

They are smacking people's cars and surely causing damage. Will they blow out a tire? Probably. Can they knock out a light? Probably. Genius.

Saw a guy in a low riding car actually smack one with his side view mirror.. and he was perfectly centered in his lane.

I mean, I've seen some stupid ideas, but.. jeesh. Only in Brevard I suppose.

On the way back watched a semi truck just mowing them over one by one. Guys with even slighly large landscaping trucks have no choice but to smack them.

I suggest someone rigging up a Cattle Guard type device on the front of their truck to just shear them right off.

The side ones make the lanes too narrow, even without the middle one. Out of towners slamming on their brakes randomly.

This will cause more injuries than jaywalking. A total Joke.

A-O Way To Go FL.

If I lived on River Drive (S Patrick) I'd be extra pissed, because that's the thruway now.

Dumbest idea ever. The A1A looks like a scene from BladeRunner hahahaha nice job boys!


How long do you think this calamity will last before they have to remove it all with their tails between their legs?




BTW- if you can't make a linebreak, use "reply" (not quick reply) and put a BR HTML tag where you want the break.

http://developer.mozilla.org/e...cs/Web/HTML/Element/br

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Edited: 05/05/2020 at 08:16 PM by fishkller

I thought Riverside was also having work done and everyone was detoured up into the neighborhoods or to A1A? .. Right by the Eau Galli causeway and at the end of Indialantic are these two Flashing fricken lights that say 'Flashing fricken lights next 3 miles'... I have seen people stop at these signs causing mass confusion around them. Not only did they put up confusion causing lights and barriers, they also put up confusing flashing signs saying that they put up confusing barriers.

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Thanks Fishkiller for the linebreak info, at least something in your post made sense.

Yes, the lanes are too narrow for semis, dump trucks and texting, that sucks, been that way since they redid the bike lanes. Before the road furniture, people rode the bike lane and they liked it, guy on a bike, not so much. I drive a full size Tundra and pull a car hauler and have no issues. Same penalty when you drop a wheel off the pavement or hit a curb. Pay attention, it's 35 mph on a straight road for gods sake.

Gonna take some wear and tear but people will get used to it or they will wise up and widen the road. Pay attention and stay back a safe distance until they do.

Oh, and yeah, waiting for no cars in both directions, I will do it no other way because I'm too far between crosswalks, it can take a while.

Edited: 05/06/2020 at 10:57 AM by bluestreak

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just like the corona virus takes out
the weak and unhealthy

this forum will weed out the weak and lazy


i have no problem with 'breaks'
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easy peasy

bah. i am just lazy and this forum is old and shit

there are other options lol
true not up-to-date 2020
but unlike BIG and 16streets
it has stood the test of time and we are still using it.

f*ck you and your fancy line breaks
straight to hell

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ok,
if i preview the post first

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stay.

come to think of it, before the long outage on the forum there used to be different posting options available that are no longer there. i am wondering if there is simply a forum option we dont have access too causing it. if it was on 'my' end, it would not maintain the line breaks on preview either i would think and it would have different behavior most likely on other devices

anyways

preview is a work around for now (really forever)

Just ran up to Publix in Sat and one in the middle was gone. Including the big, yellow inverted pot hole that is screwed to the road. Got a glimmer of hope maybe they were removing the middle ones.

On the way home, a FDOT pickup with a bed FULL of those F**king things was driving around, so they are already replacing them.......

MORONS. No accountability. Government organization with impunity.

To that point, the discussion about the red vs yellow lights. Word has it that it was stated by an FDOT employee outside of a meeitng that they are multi-colored LED's and could be changed to red with a simple programming. That really wouldn't do anything, but farther continues to display their inept ways.

getting pretty good at this line break thing.

LOL

Cocoa beach has been 35 for years. No one goes 35 once they hit 1st Street South.

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Actually, many years ago, the CCB city manager was quoted in the FL Today saying the reason they lowered the speed limit to 35 was to keep everybody under 45. And, almost everybody does drive between 40 and 45. (I did so for 35 years driving to KSC and the Cape and never got a ticket. I got stopped three times and got a warning each time.)

Makes sense to me. The same thing will happen from Satty south I imagine. Like FK said, the speed limit is fine, the bowling pins are idiotic.



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Ehh.. except it's all true and makes perfect sense. Everything they've done on the A1A in the past year has been a disaster, and looks like shit.

Had to drive thru that minefield today.. looks even more F'ed up since 48 hours ago.

I think I saw one of the middle hazards already gone.

Just a matter of time, they'll have to rip that crap out..

first the Great Condo Wall of China on the dune, now this LOL

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Edited: 05/06/2020 at 01:58 PM by fishkller

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this forum keeps getting worse.... It took me two hours to simply add photos because the image link button doesn't work for crap. Had to get BB codes for forums

Edited: 05/06/2020 at 02:13 PM by RioSirju

Not sure what all the trouble is, but it's on your end- forum works fine on every computer I've ever posted from- laptop, desktop, phone, Chrome, Firefox, Opera.

The HTML tag is a workaround for those that have an issue on their end.


what happens when you hit enter?

and what exactly is the issue with posting photos

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i can post here from my laptop on any browser, my phone, and my ipad. line breaks work for none of them. i would say that is more an indication of a forum account setting somewhere causing it. maybe

I really do like the 35MPH though, feels right for the beach road.

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Edited: 05/06/2020 at 08:20 PM by WG

I think 35 on A1A is long overdue. In 1985 this area had a much smaller population and it was safe to zip from Cocoa to Sebastian, but with the explosion in population the time has come to slow things down.


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Edited: 05/08/2020 at 09:37 AM by RustyTruck

Bear traps all through Indi, Bears rollin discos everywhere, stay off the hammer

Lower the speed limit, fine.

But those road hazards have got to go.

well, they will go.. county will go broke replacing them.. its like 2 down everyday..



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The state FDOT are the ones paying to replace them and they have backup to the backup. This is an unchecked, unaccountable organization so they will just keep surprising us all with new levels of stupidity.

I am that guy pulling a boat trailer. It was funny to me too for about 2 minutes until I realized it could damage my trailer and/or tires over time.

Maybe there will be a use for lawyers in the world afterall and one of these will break loose and fly off and damage one's 80k Porsche and they will file a lawsuit (not that I am wishing that on anyone, but it is inevitable).

This is an opportunity to make comments about the problems with the A1A Pedestrian Crossings. If you want to effect change you have to take action.

Space. Coast Transportation Organization interactive roadway map for public comment input

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Edited: 05/14/2020 at 10:20 AM by dab

Hope the bolts are getting taken out by the vehicles too when the bowling pins are. I can only imagine some liability on the city if one of those things pops a tire and hurts or kills someone. I will pay attention on my weekly trip out of the house tomorrow.

Those pylons are the exact same width as the painted lane marks on the roads. (5") If you're run'n'm down, aren't you also ride'n into the other guys lane?! My Wife said she isn't have'in any trouble avoiding hit'n'm with her little shaky ass hands behind our big ass F-150~ Idk

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45MPH would probably really be OK if there were not so many side-road intersections and pedestrian crossings.

Limit the number of Pedestrian crossings? Space them out to every quarter mile?

Eliminate some side-road intersections so that there is only access every quarter mile??

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DP - All great suggestions, but, the pedestrians think they own the right to cross whenever and wherever they want and to do it immediately. By their actions, they show that they think they should be able to walk up, have everybody immediately stop and then they keep walking. As you and I know, A1A has always been difficult to cross. Remember when it was two lane and backed up to the Cape every afternoon? The correct answer is for pedestrians to understand they bought their homes on the west side and the beach is on the east side of a STATE HIGHWAY and to wait until it is safe to cross (and to teach their kids responsibility for their own safety). I have heard over and over how hard it is and how long it takes to cross at the end of my street. Well, I have timed it many, many times and the MOST it has ever taken me is 3 MINUTES. That is about what it takes to activate a stoplight for a car to enter from a sidestreet. The problem is entitled pedestrians.

ZOMBIES!!! The ones that were down are up again! Headshots people, HEADSHOTS!!!

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Below is a thought provoking legal perspective on driving, roadways and personal rights from a Libertarian perspective. Reading gave me a new perspective to consider. Below paragraph is a teaser that is not a spoiler.

"Those persons who are engaged in government authorized activities can be regulated by government. Therefore vehicles that are used in commerce can be required to have license plates. License plates are on vehicles that need government permission to be on the road - to profit from the use of public roads. Once they are regulated in commerce (have a license plate), they never have the right of way. Pedestrians and bicyclists always have the right of way over licensed vehicles, because their right to travel is a protected liberty. Whereas commercial uses of the roads are never a protected liberty, they are a government granted privilege.".

Do you have a God-given right to "drive", or is driving a government-granted privilege that can be licensed?

After reading more of his arguments I see he is a Christian Libertarian with a Quaker matriarchal lineage. He has interesting views.



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Edited: 05/11/2020 at 12:18 PM by dab

Speed Limit Changes Coming to S.R. A1A in Brevard County

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SCTPO Interactive Roadway Map that you can make comments on.

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Any idea how much damage those pins do to a car? Thousands???

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I've got a new hobby when driving through the Great A1A Minefield.

Get behind a vehicle pulling a trailer, like a landscape truck - or better yet, a semi.

They can't avoid the pinball bumpers and just mow them over, one after the other- it's actually quite amusing to watch.


Since I must slow to a crawl anyway due to everyone else, I just sit back and watch the show.

Just don't get too close to the truck, because usually a car in the next lane over gets up there and when the truck hits the paddle- they freak out and swerve.

A total sh!t show- but an entertaining piece of Brevardian culture to be sure.





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COVID-19, A1A, it's all part of the New Normal, , , , , LOL. LOL

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they will re-brand it as..........COVIDA1A!

Sweet! I haven't seen that SHOW yet.

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Waiting for waves is ok......most people spend their lives waiting for nothing.

Go to Family Auto Mart, get a $500 beater, and get on A1A and go to town on them thingys in the road.

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Edited: 05/13/2020 at 07:57 AM by dingpatch

The real fun is my left hand turn onto A1A across all lanes, around the Pedestrian blocked area and between the signs...getting pretty good making it with one hand on the wheel and the other holding coffee

I'm not going to name any names, but there are a few politicians, even a particular local one.. who's face printed out and taped to the middle paddle would make smacking it even more fun..

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Well, it's been awhile.

Now the A1A bowling pins are a combination of broken, moved and removed altogether.

Most spots have the left hand bumper moved more into the island to create a wider lane.

Many spots have the right hand bumper removed altogether, although this seems to be a bit random.. some have them, some don't.


The middle bowling pins have been getting their ass kicked, and a good third to half of them are just laying there in the road all busted up, flopped over, or broken...

Seems that no one is maintaining them anymore?

The ones that are standing are covered in black marks, all busted looking.

Have people slowed down?

I'd say the average speed in now 45, although I've seen plenty of people going 50 or above. Haven't seen many people getting tickets.

Seems folks just learned how to drive through these things w/o slowing down too much, but there are lots of out-of-towners still slamming on their brakes, so the hazard is still there.

Flashing lights all over the place- hard to tell what means what if you aren't used to the drive.

I'd say it's a FAIL, but that's my opinion.

Will be interesting to see what they do with this long term, because right now it looks like the yard of a vacant house.





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Edited: 07/27/2020 at 08:42 PM by fishkller

Many years ago, a CCB official was quoted in FL Today saying that they had lowered the speed limit to 35 mph so that drivers would stay under 45. I think that this may have been the plan with this area, too. Traffic is consistently right at 45 mph.

Many good points, but the flashing lights posting the 35mph speed limit is a big problem by my house. If you are headed North on A1A around the Blueberry Muffin area there is a crosswalk followed by the flashing 35mph speed limit sign which from the North the speed limit blinking lights are transposed over the crosswalk and I can't tell you how many accidents I have almost seen there because of people stopping for no reason. I think they have given up on the entire project along with monitoring the speeding.

I don't use them anymore, back to the old method of wait and run..actually is safer than the x-walks...when I was using them besides almost being killed twice by cars that did not even tap their brakes I have also had run ins with Road Rager's, yelling because they had to stop while you cross... Cops are not around, speed is back to 45 - 55mph..YES FAIL

Edited: 07/30/2020 at 06:21 AM by SurferMic

This will get mixed replies. Take out the cross walks, keep the speed limit at 35 and enforce it. Satellite Beach had a reputation of enforcing the speed limit years ago and everyone knew it, now, not so much.

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That is actually my preferred solution.

All these pinball bumpers are ridiculous and look stupid/bad.

Surfer Mic has a point- drivers either are confused or don't respect all these flashing lights everywhere you look.. or they are just a dick. As a realistic pedestrian, it's still in your own hands to go when there is no freaking car coming.

(that's what I and everyone else have to do in my car when turning onto A1A.. so it's possible)

I also agree with SurferSince- if they stopped *spending* money on these ridiculous contraptions/gimmicks and started *making* money by ticketing speeders who go, say 55+.. then pretty quick it would have the infamous reputation as a speedtrap/ticketing zone and people would be paying much more attention to how fast they are going.

Oh well, it's Florida, and it's Brevard- of course it's going to be a shitshow.





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Edited: 07/28/2020 at 04:47 PM by fishkller

I like it to be honest. I know most cars I see are actually following the speed limit now, or close to it. There will always be a few who feel their need to get somewhere 10 seconds faster is worth potentially risking a kid's life over. I think it could be improved by: - removing the blinking sign by the Blueberry Muffin that you see when driving north. It is confusing and redundant. - remove just the center reflector flap thing that is in between the 2 lanes. - police NEED to constantly be enforcing the speed limit (in MB the police will ticket you for driving 32 in a 30 on Oak St. This is a daily thing that happens and it keeps people following the speed limit.

Yep- that's exactly what I was referring to.. they need to cool it with the flashing disco they've got going..

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Yeah those pinball bumpers need to go.

Drove by one yesterday- broken and hanging at a 90 degree angle 2 feet INTO the righthand southbound lane. Nobody maintaining these anymore, people were having to stop and drive into the shoulder to get through without rubbing it along their car.

So dumb..


You know what would work better and not risk accidents /denting up vehicles?

Once of those "your speed is" signs WITH an LED message saying "ACTIVELY TICKETING TODAY - $300 fine"




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Edited: 08/09/2020 at 01:07 PM by fishkller

Surpisingly another great idea. Lets put yellow lights IN the road at the crossings. People cant figure out how not to hit the signs in the middle and throw them up in the air and hit your car. How do I know this? I`ve seen it happen 3 times now. And why wasnt this done in the first place when this chitshow began if its going to make a difference?

They're a hazard. People forget they still need to look both ways. You can't just assume cars are gonna stop, with or without the lights. I was towing my boat down A1A last week by the Mel Bch 7'11. I was doing 45-50, out of the corner of my eye I saw this lady walking north down A1A near the Outdoors Resort. Without even stopping, she grabs a flag out of the flag holder and does a right turn into the crosswalk. It's a miracle my boat didn't fly over the roof of my truck and take her out when I slammed the breaks. Growing up without crosswalks on a1a taught us how to safely cross the road. These things remove the little bit of common sense that humanity still has today.

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agree. but they call it .........progress

In Indian River Co., repaving and restriping A1A south of Wabasso took an eternity. Now, one of the Intracoastal bridges has been shut down for well over a year for temporary repairs that will immediately be demolished so the whole east end of the bridge can be rebuilt. It seems the 1970s construction was too close to the water and salt corrosion ran amuck.

We also have an intersection rebuild on the main east-west drag in Vero Beach, which has been semi abandoned in a nearly completed condition for around the last year. County government.

Looks like rebuild of Sebastian Inlet bridge will be relatively sane.

Looks like The Blinkies are coming to 5th Ave too? 3 or 4 places between Riverside and A1A.

They are going F'in crazy with those things.. as if it's not enough of a clusterF in that area with the poles sticking out in the middle of the street.. now they need 3 blinking light zones in a row where it already gets backed up?

Yup, its definitely Brevard.

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Now Satellite is paid parking and are booting cars. They hired a private company to watch the lots and people getting booted quickly. 80s bucks to get unbooted.

Just what I heard on a news brief on WFIT. yesterday.

Beach communities are being forced into it due to mounting costs. Brevard County commission is nailing us with increased lifeguard costs (increased coverage and increased cost sharing) and vandalism. The BC Commission is reducing their cost share while doing "renourishment" which increases the runouts and they keep bringing people (blame the EDC and TDC) who don't know how to swim in the ocean. In Mel Bch, a few years ago, we paid $20,000 for lifeguards. We will now be paying closer to $80,000. A few years ago (not sure what we pay now) we paid over $35,000/yr for Ocean Park maintenance and janitorial. Most of the residents seldom, if ever, use Ocean Park and none of them vandalize it. You would not believe what these assholes do to our park every damned weekend - break the shower heads off, smear baby shit on the bathroom walls, stuff diapers in the toilets, clog the toilets and leave them running, etc. Our janitorial and repair costs went through the roof. They also took over the end of the street parking and puked and pissed and threw their trash all over that, too. I am a Surfrider member and agree that the beaches ought to be open, but nobody should have to put up with that, and we sure shouldn't have to subsidize it. As usual, a few really big, BIG assholes ruin it for everyone. I don't blame ANY municipality for charging.

The few, small parks in Indian River County seem well cared for. I expect the county population to double in the next decade (at least if there isn't a real city-busting hurricane to end the boom). If so, perhaps our parks might require parking reservations?

I cannot count on Indian River County, but I know what Mel Bch dealt with. I have witnessed a lot of it in parking lots and have seen the pictures of the bathrooms after a weekend and seen the broken showers. All of that happened regularly and I have heard Sat Bch was dealing with the same. As I said, I am not a fan of parking fees, but I sure understand it.

Satellite residents can get registered and get a free pass for all parks, as I understand it. Brevard County residents get a free pass for Hightower and Pelican. Just happened to get mine today. You bring your registration to the office across from Luis/Perkins and you can add your other vehicles yourself later.

Showers? Indian River County parks have substantial ones with buttons to push (Wabasso has a hose), Vero prefers to use bare PVC and cheap hardware. Fairly frequent failures, but not much expense.

Nitwits in the water seem to be a special Florida curse.

To add to Sharkey's response - SB and BC residents can get the "pass" online, too. There is no charge and no sticker. They say they note your license plate number in a database, but I printed out the confirmation emails (one for each car) and put it in each glove compartment.

My buddy who lives in suntree was denied the BC permit. His plates are local. They gave some weird excuse that where he lived in BC did not allow him the permit.

Also: is there a court/legal process to fight the ticket or boot cost? or would you have to take the city to small claims?

that being said, it appears the contractor doing the booting gets paid by the boot. prob a %% of each boot fee. which explains the aggressiveness in which they are booting cars

Don't know why your buddy got denied. There must be more to the story. I went online and got one easily for Hightower and Pelican. Maybe he tried to get a resident pass for all the beaches. Like I wrote, must be more to the story.

Go online. The rules are posted and you can apply and get one.

https://www.parksatellitebeach.org/annual-passes