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Topic Title: One more reason to think twice before spraying Roundup herbicide
Topic Summary: ...just pic the damn weed
Created On: 05/15/2017 08:33 AM
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 05/15/2017 08:33 AM
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Karma

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Cancer - Lymphoma

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 05/15/2017 09:47 AM
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Growing up in Wisconsin and living in Iowa for some time, I think about the millions of gallons of this stuff sprayed every year on the fields. I would think that if there was actual causation, cancer numbers of farmers, co-op employees that spray and people living in communities near these farms would be off the charts.

I'm not endorsing the product nor do I use them but do you think that this correlates to background gardners?

 

 05/16/2017 05:50 AM
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Valid point. But, I still think it's a bad idea for large numbers of home owners to obsess with a monoculture spread of grass, spraying organophosphorous (P double bond O) chemicals on the ground to run off into our marine environments...just to keep out a handful of "weeds." I also think it's a bad idea to spray large amounts of organophosphorous chemicals on the ground around plants that produce food that we eat. ...same goes for insecticides.

I am hoping for a day soon to come where this mentality is antiquated.



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 05/16/2017 07:36 AM
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CNN is blaming glyphosate she sprayed on her coffee plantation for that lady's lymphoma.

Type 2A has a long list including dietary stuff. I'm not sure how she can rule out other stuff on the list.

Glyphosate is pretty safe compared to other herbicides and insecticides. It is worth minimizing herbicide and insecticide use in home landscapes but the stuff isn't some monstrous boogeyman.

Definitely agree that the massive chemical cocktail used to maintain the "perfect" lawn is absolutely ludicrous.

 

 

 



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 05/16/2017 07:59 AM
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"lucrative"

I think you meant,

Definitely agree that the massive chemical cocktail used to maintain the "perfect" lawn is absolutely "lucrative".

 05/16/2017 08:08 AM
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Taking on the lawn-industrial complex in Florida is like trying to go after the oil and tobacco industry.



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 05/16/2017 08:12 AM
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tom

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gonna need to pirate the "lawn industrial complex" terminology for future use

 05/21/2017 11:07 AM
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Are there any regulations on spraying. I have a ton of organics and my neighbor's spray company always sprays in the afternoon when the wind is howling. I am very concerned about drift.
 05/22/2017 07:28 AM
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Very little regulation for us home users spraying off the shelf stuff even though a lot of what pros use is available on the shelf in the big box stores these days.

Now the commercial applicators that have applicator's licensing are supposed to follow strict label rules for whatever they are spraying as contracted agents. Most stuff has a wind limit. Going off-label is a no-no but it is hard to enforce. They have a schedule to follow and they don't like to wait for weather. Fertilizing when heavy rain is imminent, spraying herbicide or insecticide with drift restrictions on windy days...If you pay attention you'll see the commercial outfits breaking a lot of rules.

I did use a mass application of generic glyphosate to kill my lawn for renovation and I had to wait two weeks for the wind to lay down during one of our long spells of non-stop southeast wind. I wanted to spray between 10AM and 12PM when the dew had burned off and the grass had its stomas wide open so I could get a good kill with the lowest effective application rate. Had a string of weather when the dew would burn off just about the time that southeast wind would start gusting up over 15mph. The commercial guys don't wait for such weather windows.

Also, before I get crucified for the glyphosate. Compare that one-time application of a chemical that breaks down completely in the soil in short order with the neighbor that has monthly treatments that have some variant of 2,4-D meant to control the dicot weeds in the turf (along with the fungicide, insecticide, and fertilizer that are often in the TruGreen/ChemLawn cocktail).



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