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Topic Title: algae bloom
Topic Summary: pretty bad but I'm not seeing anything about it in the media
Created On: 01/11/2016 06:29 AM
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 01/15/2016 10:49 PM
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foam ball

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Originally posted by: scombrid

Originally posted by: foam ball Why won't they consider punching an inlet in the seashore around playalinda to let some clean water in? Seems like that would offer some relief and balance things out some.




It's been considered. It's been modeled. It would fundamentally change the chemistry and ecology in the area.




Best option is to fix the nutrient load issue.




Neither one is going to happen. Nobody in Rockledge obeys the fertilizer ban in summer. Movement on getting septic tanks removed and replace with municiple treatment is too slow.




 




 



I would rather take the changes that come with a new inlet letting clean ocean water in compared to watching the Lagoon die. What's worse, some changes or doing nothing? Fixing the nutrient problem will take decades. If the Lagoon goes through another long bloom come summer, or if this one never really clears the results could be catastrophic. It's already in bad shape.
 01/17/2016 09:14 AM
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alboy

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Originally posted by: FATLIPP they need to open the locks on a full moon tide and let it flush. this should be done every full moon. been working the river all over brevard and indian river for years and the northern areas are a dead zones. wish these guys would figure this out before it is too late to recover in our life time. I think the flooding of the low lying homes/property has a lot to do with lack of flushing.
They would never consider that. The amount of sand and sediment that fill the port would require even more dredging then they already have going on. It would jeopardize their cruise and shipping industry. Pollution is the real issue.
 01/19/2016 06:14 AM
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tom

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I hope we're not at the edge of the flip,

remember that we had 10 good years of water clarity and seagrass recovery 

right up until the superbloom.

I think that if we could essentially eliminate ornamental fertilizer

we could "buy" another 20 years.

This would be similar to the years "bought" by implementing the NPDES

which took the domestic wastewater discharges out of the Lagoons.  

Follow that up by realistic legacy load removal, ie: dredging for muck,

not just navigational dredging with a feel good "muck removal" component added in,

and full septic to sewer conversion and we have a real shot a saving the Lagoon.

Cheap and easy first - fertilizer control.   And start directing $$ to the other two expensive solutions.

Problem is sustained effort.  Few actually care if it's not in the news.

 

 01/19/2016 02:17 PM
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scombrid

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Originally posted by: tom

 

Cheap and easy first - fertilizer control.   And start directing $$ to the other two expensive solutions.

St. Augusting lets you know when it is getting hungry. You know who and when fertilizes during the wet season by the color and vigor of the grass.

It is a majority of people still.

 

Problem is sustained effort.  Few actually care if it's not in the news.

I doubt if 1% of people riding over the causeways have any idea what the brown water below means. If they don't see/smell rotting carcases everywhere or see some crazy neon green color they just don't get it.

Plus there are a lot of people that refuse to be regulated on principle. I had one NSR regular tell me emphatically that natural lawns look like shit and that it was his land to do with as he pleased. The point about his not owning the receiving waters was not well recieved. He felt that if people care so much about the lagoon then they'll voluntarily change their ornamental horticulture practices. I think that opinion regarding the commons is common around these parts.

 

 

 

 



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 01/19/2016 10:00 PM
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Cole

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I had one NSR regular tell me emphatically that natural lawns look like shit

Yep, that's a fact. My lawn is living, well, almost living proof, but I have a canal across the street and I'd rather have trophy trout and snook than a trophy lawn.

Unfortunately, the elderly lady on the canal uses Black's Spray Service every other month.

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 01/21/2016 06:12 AM
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tom

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yes, those attitudes are out there and anecdotal

I don't have any measure of how prevalent they are compared to those who might be more interested in conservation

regaredless, that should not prevent repeating a formula of how we can restore the IRL

who knows, if you repeat it often enough....

 

 01/21/2016 06:17 PM
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scombrid

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Take a drive in August and you'll see who feeds lawns right through the wet season.

Some fraction of those don't have a clue and some fraction don't care.

Doesn't seem to matter which is which or who is who.

I'm curious to read the water bill that Scott just signed into law.

 



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 01/22/2016 07:00 AM
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scombrid

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Originally posted by: tom was on SJRWMD's GIS this morning for another reason and pulled this graphic

 

these are some very high (>100ug/L) CHLa levels, Haulover looks similar

 

bloom for sure

 

Here's the link: http://webapub.sjrwmd.com/agws10/hdswq/

 

This site is not working today.



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 01/22/2016 10:02 AM
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tom

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was talking with some of the bio guys at work today

they say yes, the brown bloom is pumping right now

not unusually bad in their eyes, blooms are common now 

duration and spread remain to be seen

(caveat - I'm not a phyto guy, just relaying anecdotal info)

 01/22/2016 11:51 AM
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scombrid

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Saying it isn't that bad because it is now common is a sign that things are pretty bad.

Silver lining? Could a winter bloom suck up enough nitrogen that the water clears just in time for the growing season?

I'm  not very hopeful.

 



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 01/22/2016 02:00 PM
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If it's thriving in the cold I imagine the warming temps in the spring aren't going to help.
 01/25/2016 07:48 AM
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scombrid

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not unusually bad in their eyes, blooms are common now

 

Seems the HABs folks at game and fish don't give a crap as long as it isn't Karenia Brevis and/or there isn't an acute die off of carismatic megafauna or prized sportfish.

 

Brown tide in the dead of winter is not common either.



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 01/26/2016 04:12 PM
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hmmm, just heard channel 6 new people say something about red tide in lagoon.  someone is going to talk about it. 

 01/26/2016 06:53 PM
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Fished north end of lagoon this weekend. Water was crystal clear but the seagrass was gone in many areas.
 01/26/2016 07:35 PM
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Cole

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Cocoa Beach canals are the color of mustard and as cloudy as a cup of tea with milk.

Very high turbidity for this time of year.

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 01/27/2016 08:15 AM
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 02/04/2016 11:56 AM
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Myself and some other S Beaches property owners have filed for a state grant from the Indian River Lagoon National Estuary Program/ IRL Council.
We are proposing a grant to extend the sewer lines all the way down to the inlet. Right now, county sewer service does not extend south past Publix. Lots of septic and small sewer plants from there south.
2 yrs ago, our proposal came in 2nd or 3rdplace. Last yr, no one applied for the grant. We are trying again this yr. This first section would get the lines just past the ponce park /archie carr reserve area. Hoping to get as far south as we can get. We are also in contact Brevard County Council member Trudy Infintini to see if we could waive or discount hookup fees. Its a long shot,





> Good afternoon: Thank you for submitting a project
> proposal for review and possible inclusion in the IRLNEP FY
> 2016-2017 Work Plan. It is now time to schedule your project
> proposal presentation before the IRLNEP Management Board
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> February 2, 2016 Location:
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> waterways. B. Frank Sakuma, Jr.
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 02/08/2016 06:55 AM
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scombrid

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Good luck with that grant application. That is a great effort.

We need that throughout the watershed, even up on the uplands west of the lagoon.

Update from the automated monitoring sensors. The sensor in the Banana River Lagoon near 520 has read pH between 9 and 9.5 for the last 30 days. That is why the water looks like mustard in the worst bloom locations. The algae are pulling so much CO2 out of the water that the carbonates are precipitating and adding a milky backdrop to the color of the algae. Makes the water turn from brown to okre. IRL in Cocoa was pretty bad on Saturday.



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 02/24/2016 06:26 AM
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tom

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Great job on the grant application Matt, sorry I missed this post earlier.  

FWIW - there is a GIS based application, ArcNLET, that can be used to calculate nitrate transport from septic tanks to surface water.  Don't know what your access is but it could put some digits on how much of a load reduction your project would achieve.

 

And in other news, the bloom goes on  

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 02/25/2016 03:24 PM
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Wow! That image is saddening. And the water is chilly right now. Hate to see this summer.
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