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Topic Title: The citizenship question started with anticipated result.
Topic Summary: The evidence is out, the lies are exposed and the actors identified.
Created On: 11/13/2019 04:28 AM
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 11/13/2019 04:28 AM
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johnnyboy

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http://www.npr.org/2019/11/12/...-on-citizenship-quest

This is not just politics. It's dirty pool. It's cynical attempt for an aging and increasingly irrelevant GOP to hang on to power by undermining future elections. Instead of adapting to the demographics, they opted to exclude them, lie about how and why and pretend that this was something legitimate. The architect of this Trojan horse took great pains to make sure this truth never saw the light of day, but then he died. His family saw what he did and how he did it and shared that evidence so that we could all know the truth behind their lies. You know, real patriotism.

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 11/13/2019 05:49 AM
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RustyTruck

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Fundamentally racist.

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 11/13/2019 06:19 AM
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Greensleeves

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The Justices should consider this $Hit in the DACA proceedings.

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 11/13/2019 06:36 AM
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Sniper

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Fundamentally racist.


A census is fundamentally racist? Isn't the entire purpose of conducting a census to gather information about who is here? The fact that the left objects to the census asking whether someone is a citizen or not lets you know right away that they believe that the results would shock a lot of people.

The left has been saying for close to decades that 10-11 million illegals are currently in the U.S. Something tells me that number has changed and they don't want most people to know the answer. They also don't want to see what the answer might do to how many representatives many areas receive.

The goal of the census is to know who is here and I don't understand why we should do it at all if we don't even have a decent idea as to who is here legally and who isn't. Without that information then the entire exercise is a waste of everyone's time.
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3rdworldlover

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"Isn't the entire purpose of conducting a census to gather information about who is here?"

Yes, that's exactly why they shouldn't be engineering it to not gather that information.

There already is a separate federal survey to gather immigration stats.
 11/13/2019 07:05 AM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: RustyTruck



Fundamentally racist.




A census is fundamentally racist? Isn't the entire purpose of conducting a census to gather information about who is here? The fact that the left objects to the census asking whether someone is a citizen or not lets you know right away that they believe that the results would shock a lot of people.



The left has been saying for close to decades that 10-11 million illegals are currently in the U.S. Something tells me that number has changed and they don't want most people to know the answer. They also don't want to see what the answer might do to how many representatives many areas receive.



The goal of the census is to know who is here and I don't understand why we should do it at all if we don't even have a decent idea as to who is here legally and who isn't. Without that information then the entire exercise is a waste of everyone's time.


"The architect of this Trojan horse took great pains to make sure this truth never saw the light of day, but then he died. His family saw what he did and how he did it and shared that evidence so that we could all know the truth behind their lies."

It's a poorly kept secret that the GOP does not like democracy, and actively uses state power to interfere with the franchise of American citizens who are unlikely to cast votes in their favor.

That's unamerican, and it's the tactic of scoundrels.

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Sniper

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Fundamentally racist.


A census is fundamentally racist? Isn't the entire purpose of conducting a census to gather information about who is here? The fact that the left objects to the census asking whether someone is a citizen or not lets you know right away that they believe that the results would shock a lot of people.

The left has been saying for close to decades that 10-11 million illegals are currently in the U.S. Something tells me that number has changed and they don't want most people to know the answer. They also don't want to see what the answer might do to how many representatives many areas receive.

The goal of the census is to know who is here and I don't understand why we should do it at all if we don't even have a decent idea as to who is here legally and who isn't. Without that information then the entire exercise is a waste of everyone's time.



It's a poorly kept secret that the GOP does not like democracy, and actively uses state power to interfere with the franchise of American citizens who are unlikely to cast votes in their favor.


I would 100% support putting this issue to a national vote and letting the chips fall where they may.

Without this information then the census is a charade. How are you supposed to determine how many representatives and delegates an area is entitled to when you don't even know how many citizens are there? Unless you really just want open borders...not because it is best for the country but because it is probably best for the Democrats' power. THAT is unamerican
 11/13/2019 09:25 AM
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Greensleeves

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Sniper outraged like a third grader not getting his rice crispy treat.

The census is not a charade. The twitler administration moved on the census like a bitch (twitler's own words) and they were rebuffed. Suck it up boomer. Y'all are going to suffer a bunch of losses coming up.

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 11/13/2019 09:54 AM
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johnnyboy

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Sniper, are you pretending that this tactic was designed to undercount individuals reluctant to participate due to their status or are you so naïve as to believe that this cynical effort was sincere?

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 11/13/2019 05:39 PM
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cheaterfiveo

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if dems have their way; they will over represent the illegals who shouldnt be counted.explain which part of illegal you dont understand
even obama said it was a short term solution to a long term problem. Dems backed out on legislation when Trump approved the daca dudes to be allowed. checkmate





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 11/13/2019 06:43 PM
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LOL What part of capitalization don't YOU understand?

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 11/14/2019 05:11 AM
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Cole

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Does it say to just count citizens or does it say to count everyone?

 11/14/2019 05:46 AM
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johnnyboy

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The politics of the boomer gop: undercount the people, pretend you were only clarifying the citizens, gerrymander the districts to silence the majority and justify a president who that tries to use his personal lawyer to get dirt on his rival in the next election. All of this while you sue everyone to slow walk the people from knowing the details about their employee, the President. Pale, male and stale is getting their last flex in until the ballot box gives them the ultimate "ok boomer."

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

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