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"Truth exists. There are things in our lives that are either true or false. It is raining hard while I type this. That is true. It is not my perspective or your perspective. It is raining here in Virginia. And if you are sitting beside me looking out the window and you say it is not raining, you are lying. Your belief is not honestly held; you are a liar. And the principle applies broadly. Is it true or false that more people attended Donald Trump's 2017 inauguration than Barack Obama's 2009 inauguration? That is false, and demonstrably, objectively so. If you say otherwise, you are lying.

This notion that the truth exists, and that it matters, has long been at the center of American life. We have always measured our leaders by their connection to the touchstone of truth. They all depart from it from time to time; that's the nature of political leadership, and of humans. In an effort to please or justify or avoid, politicians make false statements. George W. Bush did, when he said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Barack Obama did, when he said that if you liked your doctor you could keep your doctor under his proposed health care bill. And then they spent the rest of their terms, and likely the rest of their lives, explaining their tether to the touchstone. "I really believed," or "I didn't know," or "I misspoke," or "I'm sorry." But we, and they, measured the distance to the touchstone. We held them accountable to the truth.

This was the first full calendar year of Donald Trump's presidency, but it represented a continuation of the assault on the truth? - ?on the very notion of "truth"? - ?that began just after his inauguration with the First Lie, the one about the inauguration crowd. So many false statements followed the first one, so many lies, that we have become numb to them. And in that numbness from thousands and thousands of false statements, there is danger. There is a risk that the flood of lies will wash over the touchstone of truth and melt it like a sandcastle at the beach. And then, what are we, exactly?

America is a country that, by most historical measures, shouldn't exist. Americans don't come from a common heritage, language, religion, or culture. We have none of the normal glue to form this collection of humans from across the globe into a nation. Instead, we are an experiment: For 242 years, we have been held together by a set of values. We have always fallen short of our espoused values? - ?after all, we held truths to be self-evident while holding humans as slaves? - ?but our values are the glue. Together, we hold truths. One of our most sacred values is that the truth exists, that it must be sought and spoken. Our founders created systems of government and justice designed to have the best chance of finding the truth, by crashing human interests against each other. The whole design rests upon oaths and promises, solemn commitments to tell the truth.

If we lose that, if we become numb to the melting of the touchstone, what remains of our country? The question is frightening, but millions of Americans see the threat, and are responding. The media has been working, in fits and starts, to report the truth, and the lies. Their reward has been a constant stream of attacks from the President, attacks designed to destroy the media's credibility and the very idea that truth is knowable, but they have kept at it. In part, the media has stayed on the case because the American people have kept at it. Rather than withdrawing, numb, they have stepped forward. An overwhelming majority support the work of a special prosecutor to find out what is true about the conduct of the President and his associates. More people voted in the 2018 midterm elections than in any similar election in memory. Those voters handed control of the House of Representatives to the opposition party. The design of the Founders? - ?that crashing of interests to get at truth? - ?will work to protect our democracy.

In 2018, we defended our values. And that's the truth."

James Comey


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 12/11/2018 at 09:12 AM by WG
 12/11/2018 09:25 AM
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Sniper

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Originally posted by: WG

"In an effort to please or justify or avoid, politicians make false statements. George W. Bush did, when he said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Barack Obama did, when he said that if you liked your doctor you could keep your doctor under his proposed health care bill. And then they spent the rest of their terms, and likely the rest of their lives, explaining their tether to the touchstone. "I really believed," or "I didn't know," or "I misspoke," or "I'm sorry." But we, and they, measured the distance to the touchstone...."



James Comey


Familiar territory for Jim Comey. He only said "I don't know" or "I don't remember" 245 times during his 12/7/18 testimony.

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 12/11/2018 09:32 AM
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RustyTruck

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...and that's the biggest story running on Faux News. I wonder why?

Tough times ahead for your boy snipe.

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 12/11/2018 09:47 AM
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Sniper

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Truth:
Comey admits that Hillary's dossier, used as the basis to obtain FISA warrants used to spy on Trump campaign was never verified.


Rosenstein says that a FISA warrant must be signed off on by senior official and if that warrant is found to be false then there will be consequences, including prosecution. Seems like a fairly open and shut case to me. Time to see who signed off on that FISA warrant and it's extensions.


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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Edited: 12/11/2018 at 09:53 AM by Sniper
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Nothing there snipe. Does evidence have to be proven true in order for there to be probably cause for a warrant?

Only in Faux land could there be insufficient evidence to investigate trump campaign ties to Russia. At least 16 Trump associates had contacts with Russians during campaign or transition.

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 12/11/2018 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck
Only in Faux land could there be insufficient evidence to investigate trump campaign ties to Russia. At least 16 Trump associates had contacts with Russians during campaign or transition.


Define "contacts". Did Democrats have no "contacts" with Russians during 2016?

Do yourself a favor and do a few Google searches before answering.

Is it illegal to talk to someone from Russia? Does speaking to someone from Russia automatically prove an American is guilty of something?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden

Edited: 12/11/2018 at 10:31 AM by Sniper
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OK snipe, it's your choice to go down with the ship, even if it's a garbage scow.

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Sniper

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

OK snipe, it's your choice to go down with the ship, even if it's a garbage scow.


Again, please define "contacts". Did Democrats have no "contacts" with Russians during 2016?

Is it illegal to talk to someone from Russia? Does speaking to someone from Russia automatically prove an American is guilty of something?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden
 12/11/2018 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Nothing there snipe. Does evidence have to be proven true in order for there to be probably cause for a warrant?


Did you see what Rosenstein said? He clearly says that a senior official must put pen to paper, saying they verify that the evidence being used to justify a FISA warrant has been verified.

Comey is clearly saying that Hillary's dossier was not verified by the FBI before using it as the justification to spy on the Trump campaign, so it's time to see who signed off on it, putting their neck on the line to use it to spy on Americans. Why wasn't the judge informed where the dossier came from and who paid for it?

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"The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama

“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden
 12/11/2018 12:01 PM
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Comey ain't no Commie. He is, however, a registered Repugnican. In '16 he said he was unaffiliated, and yesterday day he said to vote a Dem in. That boy am confused. Like all repugs.
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: Sniper

Originally posted by: RustyTruck



Nothing there snipe. Does evidence have to be proven true in order for there to be probably cause for a warrant?





Did you see what Rosenstein said? He clearly says that a senior official must put pen to paper, saying they verify that the evidence being used to justify a FISA warrant has been verified.



Comey is clearly saying that Hillary's dossier was not verified by the FBI before using it as the justification to spy on the Trump campaign, so it's time to see who signed off on it, putting their neck on the line to use it to spy on Americans. Why wasn't the judge informed where the dossier came from and who paid for it?


Not everything in the dossier CAN be verified, but much of it has turned out to be true. But if it's all or nothing, well then it's open and shut, and trump must have nothing to worry about.

Since your boys control the justice department, indict Comey. If they have something, use it in a court.

Courts decide these things, not Judge "Gin and Juice" and Helmet Hair Hannity.

Take everything you've got to a grand jury and let's get it going; time is running out for trump. If faux and the GOP Senate have a lifeline to give him, they better move.



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 12/11/2018 01:13 PM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Originally posted by: Sniper



Originally posted by: RustyTruck







Nothing there snipe. Does evidence have to be proven true in order for there to be probably cause for a warrant?











Did you see what Rosenstein said? He clearly says that a senior official must put pen to paper, saying they verify that the evidence being used to justify a FISA warrant has been verified.







Comey is clearly saying that Hillary's dossier was not verified by the FBI before using it as the justification to spy on the Trump campaign, so it's time to see who signed off on it, putting their neck on the line to use it to spy on Americans. Why wasn't the judge informed where the dossier came from and who paid for it?




Not everything in the dossier CAN be verified, but much of it has turned out to be true.


Fucking LIAR!

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 12/11/2018 04:22 PM
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Comey gave Trump the election. You guys should be worshiping him.

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 12/11/2018 06:28 PM
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^^^^ No shit.

Talk about "what have you done for me lately"

No Comey, No President Dumbo

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 12/12/2018 03:31 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

Comey gave Trump the election. You guys should be worshiping him.


Liar!



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Eh I was there. Saw it on TV. Comey literally handed him the election. Remember afterwards Trump wanted to kiss him for it?

 12/12/2018 04:13 AM
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Liar!

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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer

Liar!


For lies see above ^^
 12/12/2018 05:09 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: HAPDigital

Originally posted by: HAPDigital

Eh I was there. Saw it on TV. Comey literally handed him the election. Remember afterwards Trump wanted to kiss him for it?







For lies see above ^^




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-They are both card carrying narcissists.
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HAPDigital

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Correction: Trump actually kissed him, not "wanted" too. Blew him a kiss then gave him an actual kiss.
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