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Created On: 07/30/2018 04:51 PM

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07/30/2018 04:51 PM
Cole Posts: 68362 Joined Forum: 07/22/2003	Take a look at Trump's body language. That effer has sold us down the river....officially. ------------------------- I was right.
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07/31/2018 06:18 AM
StirfryMcflurry Posts: 8746 Joined Forum: 08/17/2016	b... b.. but sting said "one world is enough for all of us"
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07/31/2018 06:52 AM
tpapablo Posts: 43991 Joined Forum: 07/25/2003	Cole, seems that you should have paid better attention in your body language classes: https://www.businessinsider.com/ap-the-wink-the-slouch-the-non-verbal-cues-at-the-summit-2018-7 http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/398374-expert-trump-is-a-master-of-body-language ------------------------- I :heart; Q
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07/31/2018 06:53 AM
jdbman Posts: 12174 Joined Forum: 07/28/2003	Collusion is not a crime? How bout treason? ------------------------- So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.
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07/31/2018 07:05 AM
tpapablo Posts: 43991 Joined Forum: 07/25/2003	Originally posted by: jdbman Collusion is not a crime? How bout treason? Yes, treason is a crime. You progs should strive to learn legal basics before taking up everyone's time with dumb questions. Also, I think you meant "about." A "bout" is a contest. Or did you really mean, "how contest treason?" You progs should also probably learn basic spelling and grammar as well. ------------------------- I :heart; Q
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07/31/2018 07:14 AM
johnny Posts: 2348 Joined Forum: 12/31/2004
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07/31/2018 09:03 AM
jdbman Posts: 12174 Joined Forum: 07/28/2003	oh good, so ya'll understand bout treason and all? What is the punishment nowadays for treason? How about money laundering? Ya'll know about that also? Perjury ? Is that kinda bad? Any jail time for that? How bout locking her up? Howzit going? ------------------------- So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off.
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07/31/2018 10:58 AM
scombrid Posts: 18029 Joined Forum: 07/24/2003	Yeah johnny let's hear what Chomsky has to say. Interview I heard the other day on WFIT has a little more detail than your Daily Stormer meme. AMY GOODMAN: Well, Barbara L'Italien said a lot there, but she was then cut off, with the shock of the Fox & Friends crew in the morning that they had the wrong Democratic congressional candidate. But this kind of media activism also just goes to the whole issue of the media, Noam Chomsky, the issue of Fox News becoming really state media, with - you have the person who supported the sexual harasser Roger Ailes, Bill Shine, now a top aide to President Trump in the White House. That's gotten little attention. So you have Fox being a mouthpiece for Trump and a place for him to hear what people have to say, and the other networks very much running counter to Trump, on certain issues, CNN and MSNBC. But your thoughts? ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................. NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, my frank opinion is that - I must say I don't pay much attention to television, so I don't know a great deal about it. But, in general, I think the media - first of all, Fox News is, by now, basically a joke. It's, as you said, state media. The other media, I think, are focusing on issues which are pretty marginal. There are much more serious issues that are being put to the side. So, the worst of - even on the case of immigration, once again, I think the real question is dealing with the roots of immigration, our responsibility for it, and what we can do to overcome that. And that's almost never discussed. But I think that's the crucial issue. And I think we find the same across the board. So, of all Trump's policies, the one that is the most dangerous and destructive, in fact poses an existential threat, is his policies on climate change, on global warming. That's really destructive. And we're facing an imminent threat, not far removed, of enormous damage. The effects are already visible but nothing like what's going to come. A sea level rise of a couple of feet will be massively destructive. It will make today's immigration issues look like trivialities. And it's not that the administration is unaware of this. So, Donald Trump, for example, is perfectly aware of the dangerous effects, in the short term, of global warming. So, for example, recently he applied to the government of Ireland for permission to build a wall to protect his golf course in Ireland from rising sea levels. And Rex Tillerson, who was supposed to be the adult in the room before he was thrown out, as CEO of ExxonMobil, was devoting enormous resources to climate change denial, although he had, sitting on his desk, the reports of ExxonMobil scientists, who, since the '70s, in fact, were on the forefront of warning of the dire effects of this accelerating phenomenon. I don't know what word in the language - I can't find one - that applies to people of that kind, who are willing to sacrifice the literal - the existence of organized human life, not in the distant future, so they can put a few more dollars in highly overstuffed pockets. The word "evil" doesn't begin to approach it. These are the kinds of issues that should be under discussion. Instead, what's being - there is a focus on what I believe are marginalia. So, take, say, the huge issue of interference in our pristine elections. Did the Russians interfere in our elections? An issue of overwhelming concern in the media. I mean, in most of the world, that's almost a joke. First of all, if you're interested in foreign interference in our elections, whatever the Russians may have done barely counts or weighs in the balance as compared with what another state does, openly, brazenly and with enormous support. Israeli intervention in U.S. elections vastly overwhelms anything the Russians may have done, I mean, even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress, without even informing the president, and speaks to Congress, with overwhelming applause, to try to undermine the president's policies - what happened with Obama and Netanyahu in 2015. Did Putin come to give an address to the joint sessions of Congress trying to - calling on them to reverse U.S. policy, without even informing the president? And that's just a tiny bit of this overwhelming influence. So if you happen to be interested in influence of - foreign influence on elections, there are places to look. But even that is a joke. I mean, one of the most elementary principles of a functioning democracy is that elected representatives should be responsive to those who elected them. There's nothing more elementary than that. But we know very well that that is simply not the case in the United States. There's ample literature in mainstream academic political science simply comparing voters' attitudes with the policies pursued by their representatives, and it shows that for a large majority of the population, they're basically disenfranchised. Their own representatives pay no attention to their voices. They listen to the voices of the famous 1 percent - the rich and the powerful, the corporate sector. The elections - Tom Ferguson's stellar work has demonstrated, very conclusively, that for a long period, way back, U.S. elections have been pretty much bought. You can predict the outcome of a presidential or congressional election with remarkable precision by simply looking at campaign spending. That's only one part of it. Lobbyists practically write legislation in congressional offices. In massive ways, the concentrated private capital, corporate sector, super wealth, intervene in our elections, massively, overwhelmingly, to the extent that the most elementary principles of democracy are undermined. Now, of course, all that is technically legal, but that tells you something about the way the society functions. So, if you're concerned with our elections and how they operate and how they relate to what would happen in a democratic society, taking a look at Russian hacking is absolutely the wrong place to look. Well, you see occasionally some attention to these matters in the media, but very minor as compared with the extremely marginal question of Russian hacking. And I think we find this on issue after issue, also on issues on which what Trump says, for whatever reason, is not unreasonable. So, he's perfectly right when he says we should have better relations with Russia. Being dragged through the mud for that is outlandish, makes - Russia shouldn't refuse to deal with the United States because the U.S. carried out the worst crime of the century in the invasion of Iraq, much worse than anything Russia has done. But they shouldn't refuse to deal with us for that reason, and we shouldn't refuse to deal with them for whatever infractions they may have carried out, which certainly exist. This is just absurd. We have to move towards better - right at the Russian border, there are very extreme tensions, that could blow up anytime and lead to what would in fact be a terminal nuclear war, terminal for the species and life on Earth. We're very close to that. Now, we could ask why. First of all, we should do things to ameliorate it. Secondly, we should ask why. Well, it's because NATO expanded after the collapse of the Soviet Union, in violation of verbal promises to Mikhail Gorbachev, mostly under Clinton, partly under first Bush, then Clinton expanded right to the Russian border, expanded further under Obama. The U.S. has offered to bring Ukraine into NATO. That's the kind of a heartland of Russian geostrategic concerns. So, yes, there's tensions at the Russian border - and not, notice, at the Mexican border. Well, those are all issues that should be of primary concern. The fate of - the fate of organized human society, even of the survival of the species, depends on this. How much attention is given to these things as compared with, you know, whether Trump lied about something? I think those seem to me the fundamental criticisms of the media. ------------------------- ... Edited: 07/31/2018 at 11:00 AM by scombrid
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07/31/2018 11:16 AM
Cole Posts: 68362 Joined Forum: 07/22/2003	Originally posted by: tpapablo Cole, seems that you should have paid better attention in your body language classes: Okay, what about him taking Putin's side over ours? "I meant to say wouldn't." Even you, the most devout Trumpette, have to see that as a joke. ------------------------- I was right. Edited: 07/31/2018 at 11:17 AM by Cole
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07/31/2018 11:22 AM
johnny Posts: 2348 Joined Forum: 12/31/2004	Techcrunch: See the trippy propaganda images attacking the midterms on Facebook Edited: 07/31/2018 at 12:26 PM by johnny
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07/31/2018 01:31 PM
tpapablo Posts: 43991 Joined Forum: 07/25/2003	Originally posted by: Cole Originally posted by: tpapablo Cole, seems that you should have paid better attention in your body language classes: Okay, what about him taking Putin's side over ours? "I meant to say wouldn't." Even you, the most devout Trumpette, have to see that as a joke. I would take Putin over American progs. So what? ------------------------- I :heart; Q
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07/31/2018 02:16 PM
fishkller Posts: 20709 Joined Forum: 11/13/2016	^^^^ That about says it all LOL Trying so hard to contradict everyone, you let your true colors out Comrade.. ------------------------- When America was "great"
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07/31/2018 02:27 PM
tpapablo Posts: 43991 Joined Forum: 07/25/2003	I have never tried to hide my true colors. Putin wasn't the one who ruined places like California and most big cities. Putin didn't ruin our education system. Putin didn't purposely relegate most minorities to the underclass. Putin didn't slash our defense spending. Putin isn't advocating that we do away with ICE and let everyone in the world walk into our country. I'd take him without hesitation over progs. He is nowhere near as dangerous to our country as progs. ------------------------- I :heart; Q
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07/31/2018 03:49 PM
fishkller Posts: 20709 Joined Forum: 11/13/2016	Keep telling youself that LOL The rest of us will continue to know you how you would sell out America because some fellow countrymen happen to ruffle your feathers. (..Ronald Reagan rolls in grave) ------------------------- When America was "great"
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07/31/2018 06:15 PM
Bamboo Posts: 8017 Joined Forum: 07/24/2003	Originally posted by: tpapablo I have never tried to hide my true colors. Putin wasn't the one who ruined places like California and most big cities. Putin didn't ruin our education system. Putin didn't purposely relegate most minorities to the underclass. Putin didn't slash our defense spending. Putin isn't advocating that we do away with ICE and let everyone in the world walk into our country. I'd take him without hesitation over progs. He is nowhere near as dangerous to our country as progs. For a guy who supposedly worked at one of our National Labs on a WMD program you sure seem to have forgotten who the enemy is and what they are capable of. Disgraceful. ------------------------- If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC - KV
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08/01/2018 06:16 AM
scombrid Posts: 18029 Joined Forum: 07/24/2003	Have to wonder if he is a useful idiot or a willful disinformation agent. Talk about ruining the country, how about that deficit. Gonna pay for it with 8-9% GDP growth I hear. Uh huh. ------------------------- ...
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08/01/2018 07:49 AM
3rdworldlover Posts: 22529 Joined Forum: 07/25/2003	NEW POLL: 4 in 10 Republicans say Russians helping GOP would be "appropriate" or "not a big deal" hill.cm/JkDV5oN Meanwhile, Russia just assassinated three journalists in the Central African Republic. They were working on exposing a private Russian mercenary firm called Wagner. They attacked US troops in Syria. Russia is backing the Taliban to fight US and NATO troops in Afghanistan, while they continue to attack the USA and our allies with financial corruption, cyber warfare, blackmail, and a highly influential social media disinformation propaganda campaign. Putin just publicly boasted about his foreknowledge of US military maneuvering. One guess who's tipping him off.
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08/01/2018 08:01 AM
Greensleeves Posts: 20478 Joined Forum: 07/22/2003	Tspank willing to sell out his country because of his idolatry of an obese dullard.
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08/01/2018 11:28 AM
tpapablo Posts: 43991 Joined Forum: 07/25/2003	Originally posted by: scombrid Have to wonder if he is a useful idiot or a willful disinformation agent. Talk about ruining the country, how about that deficit. Gonna pay for it with 8-9% GDP growth I hear. Uh huh. The deficit is a whole different story. I would cut non-military spending substantially. Trump, i believe, will do that. The socialists that progs want will reduce the deficit? Not an ice cube's chance in hell. Free everything doesn't come cheap. Taking on progs is a far cry from selling out our country. Progs are the biggest threat we have today and the fight against them is one's highest patriotic duty. Russians are way down the list. Now, once we get the progs under control we can start worrying about the Russians. Speaking of Russians, it is beyond amazing how Trump has transformed liberals. When Russia was threatening us with nuclear annihilation, the progs of the day were big Russian fans. Now, thanks to Trump, progs sound like members of the John Birch Society. Trump is doing things that I thought were impossible. We lucked out getting him. ------------------------- I :heart; Q
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08/01/2018 09:10 PM
fishkller Posts: 20709 Joined Forum: 11/13/2016	You seem to be under the impression that anyone on here cares what you think LOL You're like the homeless guy talking to a fire hydrant at this point.. ------------------------- When America was "great"
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