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 06/18/2018 08:46 PM
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3rdworldlover

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Instead of wasting $20 billion on a wall that won't work, why not spend it instead improving Central America?
 06/19/2018 02:40 AM
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Bamboo

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3rd - We ain't paying 20b+ for the southern wall, silly....them Mexicans are paying for it!    Yeah, right.

This is the Trumpettes way of distracting --->>  Look!  Squirrel!!

Kellyanne Conjob did the rounds on Sunday and is a good soldier for Trump, even though what she says are mostly Alternate Facts.

Bush and Obama didn't have this issue even though they had the same laws on the books.  And to be fair, Obama was no softie on deporting duly processed immigration cases.  Look at the deportations under Obama's Presidency vs Trump or Bush.  But, Trump thinks this fabricated drama will take the heat off of his other problems.  

BTW - Most of the people who enter without authorization are not criminals, even in the most strict legal sense.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigrants-not-necessarily-criminal/index.html

 



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Edited: 06/19/2018 at 05:59 AM by Bamboo
 06/19/2018 02:45 AM
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$20B? Last I read was $66B. Poor Mexico.

Just for scale:

NASA $18B

Planned Parenthood $1.7B

Public Broadcasting $0.4B

 



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 06/19/2018 04:17 AM
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RustyTruck

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Originally posted by: miker

The president summed it up nicely before he was elected



The American people are a welcoming and generous people. But those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws.


How do those boots taste?

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 06/19/2018 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by: RustyTruck

Originally posted by: miker

The president summed it up nicely before he was elected

The American people are a welcoming and generous people. But those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws. - Barack Obama


How do those boots taste?


I was critical of a few things Barack Obama did, but I thought he was a pretty good president overall. Not sure I qualified as his boot licker though. Given you were a bigger fan of his than I was maybe you should be asking yourself that question.
 06/19/2018 04:35 AM
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hook line sinker and gut hooked

funny

 06/19/2018 04:45 AM
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WG

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Originally posted by: follydude

Since when did arriving at the border seeking asylum turn into a criminal act to warrant family separation?


exactly.
It is not
they are not criminals
they are refugeees



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 06/19/2018 04:46 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: WG

Originally posted by: follydude



Since when did arriving at the border seeking asylum turn into a criminal act to warrant family separation?




exactly.

It is not

they are not criminals

they are refugeees


Crossing our border without Federal permission is a CRIME!

ASSHOLE!

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.



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 06/19/2018 04:53 AM
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The United States is a party to the Refugee Convention (1967 protocol). Article 31 of the convention states that any individual who crosses into the signatory's country has up to one year to claim asylum by presenting to authorities and if they do, they shall not be subject to criminal statutes.


 06/19/2018 04:54 AM
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Originally posted by: follydude

The United States is a party to the Refugee Convention (1967 protocol). Article 31 of the convention states that any individual who crosses into the signatory's country has up to one year to claim asylum by presenting to authorities and if they do, they shall not be subject to criminal statutes.


Federal LAW trumps ALL 'protocols'!

FACT!

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 06/19/2018 05:00 AM
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WG

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Most showed up at the border and asked for asylum.
Not a crime.

Eve if they tried to cross illegaly, it's just a misdemeanor.
You don't loose custody of your children for being charged with a misdemeaner.

What Is Really Behind Trump's Controversial Immigration Policies?

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Edited: 06/19/2018 at 06:05 AM by WG
 06/19/2018 05:06 AM
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It is always racism or misogyny behind everything
 06/19/2018 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by: miker

Originally posted by: RustyTruck



Originally posted by: miker



The president summed it up nicely before he was elected



The American people are a welcoming and generous people. But those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws. - Barack Obama




How do those boots taste?




I was critical of a few things Barack Obama did, but I thought he was a pretty good president overall. Not sure I qualified as his boot licker though. Given you were a bigger fan of his than I was maybe you should be asking yourself that question.



You don't know me well enough I guess to know I was against Obama's immigration policy too, in fact he deported more immigrants than his predecessor. Neo-libs are terrible on immigration, but none of them deliberately broke up families and put children in concentration camps.

As for you, since you're still defending both past and present policy, I'll ask again, how do those boots taste?






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Edited: 06/19/2018 at 05:22 AM by RustyTruck
 06/19/2018 05:16 AM
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 06/19/2018 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by: miker

It is always racism or misogyny behind everything


It is when it is.
Some can never see it.

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 06/19/2018 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by: WG

Originally posted by: miker



It is always racism or misogyny behind everything




It is when it is.

Some can never see it.



Or choose not to see it.

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 06/19/2018 06:09 AM
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The kids are being used as max leverage to get an immigration bill passed.

Anything else does not ring true.


 06/19/2018 06:11 AM
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FACT - the policy made trying to enter the US for any reason (including seeking asylum) a crime, whereas before this policy enacted in April, it was not a crime to come to the border and seek asylum

FACT - trump and anyone who supports this is lesser than a piece of shit

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 06/19/2018 06:18 AM
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johnny

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well Israel must be the depths of hell

at least we don't snipe children from the border

leaving the asylum process ripe for abuse doesn't make you a good person
 06/19/2018 06:28 AM
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miker

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Originally posted by: RustyTruck
Originally posted by: miker
Originally posted by: RustyTruck
Originally posted by: miker

The president summed it up nicely before he was elected

The American people are a welcoming and generous people. But those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws. - Barack Obama


How do those boots taste?


I was critical of a few things Barack Obama did, but I thought he was a pretty good president overall. Not sure I qualified as his boot licker though. Given you were a bigger fan of his than I was maybe you should be asking yourself that question.


You don't know me well enough I guess to know I was against Obama's immigration policy too, in fact he deported more immigrants than his predecessor. Neo-libs are terrible on immigration, but none of them deliberately broke up families and put children in concentration camps.

As for you, since you're still defending both past and present policy, I'll ask again, how do those boots taste?


No idea as I didn't vote for Trump or Obama. Keep flailing about though.
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