Stoked ---- good call on pointing out the cameras. They are so cheap now that I incorrectly assume schools would have them already and that it would be a bigger priority budget-wise over other things, like new gym equipment for the football team, heh. Bit of a joke, but point was made.....

Top it off we all know there will never be the billions of dollars spent by government in schools like there is in airports. They can't get pencils for crying out loud. You guys are expecting security cameras, right. Two things going against these measures. One, money. Two, not proven to provide personal safety in this kind of environment. Best bet, regulate guns better, a lot more like the DMV for starters.

US children of high school age are 82 times more likely to die from a gun homicide than the rest of the developed world.

Probably because too many doors

Too many doors and because teachers don't get paid enough. If we only paid them fairly, there would be less students going crazy. Heh, sooo many dingbats out there.

It's like the people I mentioned earlier that refuse to pay for increasing security at schools but seem to conveniently forget that regulating the hell out of firearms will be every bit as expensive, but won't have any immediate impact. The truth is, we need better gun regulations AND better school security.

All of the above. More security, more emphasis on mental health, Review, revise gun access.

I heard a former Sec of Education propose today, that there be a nation wide boycott of all schools until politicians take action.

America is sick.

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How about holding the effing parents accountable? Your kid shoots up a school, bully's a kid, is guilty of general douchebaggery.......find the effing parents and lock them up.

I'm sick and tired of people breeding like cockroaches and my tax dollars being wasted having to fix their fuckups.

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Yeah but what about during the time they are at school and what they learn there? Going to hold teachers accountable too?

So much empirical evidence explaining the spike in school shootings within the US, and beyond, yet for the most part it's being ignored.  In the past, when school shootings were rare, there was nowhere near the gun culture in the US, compared to what currently exists.

In the past 10 -20 years, the right and NRA have done a bang up job of promoting a culture of fear, a perception that firearms will protect you or make you whole, an inaccurate narrative that regulating guns is somehow an infringemnt on constitutional rights, and the false narrative that any regulation of guns equates to "taking away my guns" and is "unamerican."  What a load of BS.  I would bet that ten years ago, most of the current paranoid opponents to gun regs., could not have even identified what provision in the constitution granted a well regulated militia the right to bear arms.  NEWS FLASH - there hasn't been any type of militia for a long time.  

Bullying, poor mental health, too many doors in schools...that's nothing new.  Slow down the gun culture, and the school shootings will subside -akin to a level of the 60s-90s.

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Dingbat behavior is saying something will work when it has proven not to.

Perhaps, but just as many homes had guns in them.

Percentage of households with firearms:

1975 - 44%
1980 - 45%
1985 - 44%
1990 - 47%
1996 - 44% (couldn't find 1995)
2000 - 39%
2005 - 40%
2010 - 39%

Then more recently....

2015 - 41%
2016 - 39%
2017 - 42%


Oddly ...1990, the year with the highest percentage of households with guns had zero school shootings in context of the issue we are worried about. For full disclosure, that year did have 2 gang related shootings on school property with zero deaths.

Edit: Also ...2015-2018 had more school shooting in context of the issue we are concerned about than the entire 70's combined, despite there being a high percentage of guns in households in the 70's.

Edited: 05/21/2018 at 10:23 AM by miker

Dingbat behavior is saying something WON'T work when it has been proven to work.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Well that is the thing, I agree with the libs that we need better gun laws though I don't agree with some of the extreme measures because they are not practical in *this* country and are simply pie in the sky nonsense that will never happen.

What gets me is that they would rather watch children die while they wait decades for gun laws to have impact and for guns currently in circulation to decline in numbers. God forbid something gets done that will have immediate impact while playing the long game. The sad thing, the same ones crying about tax dollars spent on schools to accomplish this are the exact same people willing to spend an ass load of tax dollars for guns licensing, registering, training, and enforcing those regulations. It is pure madness.

I mean seriously, do they make you give up your D voter registration card if you ignore party line for sensible solutions?

#FakeNews once again from FK. #PROPAGANDA

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Where's this money coming from for your TSA style lock down of schools? Talk about delusional pie in the sky nonsense. They can't get money for pencils. Gun regulations won't cost schools a dime, nor tax payers. More fabricated BS.

On point

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Miker - you missed my point. 

I don't doubt your statistics, or even that the rate of gun ownership may have declined over time.  My point is that a well organized group, having political motives, have engaged in a marketing agenda appealing to large swaths of the population, promoting a "gun culture" in this country that did not exist in the past.  Until recently, I never recall: people openly disclosing all the guns they own; bragging about their concealed weapons permits; rushing to gun dealers the second someone in power mentions a reasonable regulation; seeing firing ranges in every community; sporting clothes or bumper stickers promoting guns, or warning what they'll do to someone that crosses them; seeing constant new roadside billboards for gun shows; suddenly finding a new love and appreciation for the constitution & second amendment; bragging about how "american" they are, since they support their supposed constituional right to bear arms.

The more prevalent the gun culture, and acceptance of firearms as the "norm", the higher chance that school shootings will continue and even increase.               

 

I have noticed that too, with and increased vulcanization against those who choose not to participate.


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Well said.

No I got your point and agree with it mostly. My post supported your point. Funny I remember some of the rednecks with gun racks complete with shotgun and perhaps hunting rifle in their trucks in the school parking lot and nobody batted an eye. Nobody was worried they would shoot the place up.

I dont think the issue is strictly gun culture though. Not going to repost what I posted, you can read that for yourself if you haven't already and so choose to.