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Topic Title: First person barred from owning weapons w FL new gun laws Topic Summary: Created On: 03/22/2018 06:42 AM |
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 03/22/2018 06:42 AM
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His dad owned a revolver. He had experience in a shooting range. He resented being the target of bullies in school. And, police said, he made violent comments online - and craved the "adrenaline rush" of carrying out a mass shooting. Earlier this month, Orlando police used Florida's new gun legislation, passed in the wake of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in South Florida, to temporarily bar him from owning any weapons or ammunition. Velasquez, a 21-year-old student at the University of Central Florida who lives with his parents, is the first person against whom the Orlando Police Department has sought to obtain a "risk protection order," a newly created type of civil injunction that prohibits him from possessing weapons. The new law signed by Gov. Rick Scott on March 9, one week before it was applied to Velasquez, allows law enforcement to seize firearms from people deemed by a court to be mentally ill or who present a violent threat to themselves or others. "We are grateful that this avenue is available to us now; it will help OPD - and all law enforcement agencies - further protect the communities we serve," OPD Chief John Mina said in a statement. Kendra Parris, an attorney for the Velasquez family, called the young man's treatment by police "shameful." "Officer [Jeffrey] Panter took a handful of online comments - none of which was an actual threat - from a forum in which people are known to troll and act like 'edgelords,' " she said, and added that the UCF police interrogation was "coercive." Parris underscored that the only gun police are holding belonged to Velasquez's father. continues...O Sent ------------------------- Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971. |
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03/22/2018 06:46 AM
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Nice!
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03/22/2018 06:48 AM
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I learned new internet slang today..... Edgelord. I like it.
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03/22/2018 06:53 AM
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This is going to get complicated pretty fast.
------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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03/22/2018 06:54 AM
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I'm assuming that's a new word for troll? His lawyer seems to think he's being unfairly treated and portrayed in an unnecessarily bad light; I guess it's her job, but the dude admitted having these tendencies so this case would appear to be pretty cut and dry to me, but what if the next person isn't as open and forthright? ------------------------- Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971. |
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03/22/2018 07:03 AM
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But... this means that laws can actually help prevent crimes???
So... this invalidates the "criminals don't obey laws" argument ------------------------- GOP: Gaslight Obstruct Project |
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03/22/2018 07:03 AM
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Edgelord
A poster on an Internet forum, (particularly 4chan) who expresses opinions which are either strongly nihilistic, ("life has no meaning," or Tyler Durden's special snowflake speech from the film Fight Club being probably the two main examples) or contain references to Hitler, Nazism, fascism, or other taboo topics which are deliberately intended to shock or offend readers. |
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03/22/2018 07:04 AM
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So... this invalidates the "criminals don't obey laws" argument How are you making that jump? LOL |
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03/22/2018 07:25 AM
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So... this invalidates the "criminals don't obey laws" argument How are you making that jump? LOL Good question, from other posts on FB (and other threads on here) of the argument that "any new gun law won't work, because criminals don't obey laws on guns." ------------------------- GOP: Gaslight Obstruct Project |
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03/22/2018 07:37 AM
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Good question, from other posts on FB (and other threads on here) of the argument that "any new gun law won't work, because criminals don't obey laws on guns." I wouldn't think that statement is applicable in this case because the person isn't being given an option to obey or not. |
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03/22/2018 08:21 AM
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Good question, from other posts on FB (and other threads on here) of the argument that "any new gun law won't work, because criminals don't obey laws on guns." I wouldn't think that statement is applicable in this case because the person isn't being given an option to obey or not. In this case, I think the law worked, because it did exactly that: it took away the person's ability to obtain a weapon to do harm to innocent people. We can also argue the constitutionality side of taking away a person's right to have a weapon to do harm to innocent people (but I repeat myself) ------------------------- GOP: Gaslight Obstruct Project |
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03/22/2018 09:31 AM
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I like this result this time but is there a time frame here? Is this designation permanent?
------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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03/22/2018 09:54 AM
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Good question, from other posts on FB (and other threads on here) of the argument that "any new gun law won't work, because criminals don't obey laws on guns." I wouldn't think that statement is applicable in this case because the person isn't being given an option to obey or not. In what cases are people given options to obey the law or not? ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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03/22/2018 10:01 AM
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Not yet. ------------------------- Specializing in sarcasm and condescending rhetoric since 1971. |
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03/22/2018 11:11 AM
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the more difficult it is to own a gun, the fewer people will own one.
criminals will always break the law. this will cut down on shootings, but won't stop it completely. it's a logical step in the right direction. GUN LAWS ARE CHANGING! the 2nd amendment is not being violated. and it's about time. f'er, time to lock and load. popcorn please... |
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03/22/2018 12:19 PM
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UCF student---makes sense! ------------------------- Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18 |
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03/22/2018 02:21 PM
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Do you hate everyone who is educated?
------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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03/22/2018 02:46 PM
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he's jelly he never gots himself a fancy learnins ------------------------- 
When America was "great" |
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03/22/2018 05:11 PM
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Good question, from other posts on FB (and other threads on here) of the argument that "any new gun law won't work, because criminals don't obey laws on guns." I wouldn't think that statement is applicable in this case because the person isn't being given an option to obey or not. In what cases are people given options to obey the law or not? What? It is a constant choice. I can obey the law and go 45 or I can speed and go 55. I can obey the law and not steal from someone, or I can ignore the law and do it anyways. Etc. |
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03/23/2018 04:26 AM
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Or he can break defamation laws, and pretend like he didn't.
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