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Topic Title: WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE NRA
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Created On: 02/18/2018 08:57 PM
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 02/18/2018 08:57 PM
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sandi

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what can be done? how can we help them? is buying more guns enough? www need to make a difference...
 02/19/2018 05:59 AM
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johnnyboy

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It's not a bad idea. We all join and stage a hostile takeover of leadership that we announce with a completely revolutionary outrageous plan to ban the sale of guns to people who have been Baker acted, marchment acted (drugs), and everyone who has ever been declared a danger to himself or others by a doctor or government agency. This should also include the individuals on the no fly list with a special provision that says anyone on the no fly list by error or misspelling gets to appeal the denial and must receive a written basis for the denial within 30 days which is appealable to the county court where the loser pays the fees of the winner.

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 02/19/2018 08:23 AM
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somebodyelse

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 This should also include the individuals on the no fly list

 

 

The right to a service, like buying an airline ticket, is not guarenteed by the constutution. The RIGHT to gun ownership is a right outlined in the constitution.

The removal of a RIGHT takes due process and should take due process. It cannot be a behind the scenes government action that you cannot defend against and that you have to appeal in writing within 30 days.

The removal of a RIGHT, the removal of your liberty, the removal of your life, MUST have due process. It cannot be allowed to happen on secret lists by secretive government agencies.

 



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 02/19/2018 09:12 AM
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nukeh2o

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Just how many red flags would it take to stop a guy like this?.........
Sheriif was called twenty times.
FBI was notified twice.

Instead of slipping through the cracks, it appears Cruz was the target of aggressive work to help put him on the right track. But it also appears he might have hit the limit of what could be done.
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Teachers worked "very, very, very hard" to get Cruz to a school center that would help him address his issues, said the sixth-grade teacher, who noted that Cruz's now-deceased mother also understood his problems and wanted to get him help. But that process took years, the teacher said, and required loads of paperwork to back up Cruz's needs.

"We do, as teachers, everything that we possibly can to help these children, we truly do," the teacher said. "And it's a process. It's a big process. You have to have just so much information, which we did on him, we had so much."

A school official - on notice that he could pose a danger - immediately raised concerns with other staffers upon seeing him approach, but it was too late.

Howard Finkelstein, the Broward County public defender representing Cruz, has decried the shooting as avoidable, emphasizing all the red flags that were missed in his client's life - including at school, in the mental health system and with the FBI, which failed to investigate a tip last month that Cruz seemed capable of violence and might shoot up a school.

"What we have gathered so far looks to us like this is a complete multi-system failure, that you had the school system failed .?.?. you had the mental health system failed," Finkelstein said. "When he went to purchase a gun, that system failed. .?.?. The FBI failed. When you look at it, this should never have happened."



How much does it take to stop someone like this for Christ's sake?

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 02/19/2018 04:24 PM
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Cole

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Pay teachers next to nothing, then expect them to be therapists too.

The brilliance of the Republican Party.

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