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Topic Title: Belgian Catholics: Euthanasia Laws Used 'To Kill People Without Consent'
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Belgian Catholics: Euthanasia Laws Used 'To Kill People Without Consent'
Joshua Gill on January 14, 2018

Medical professionals and leaders of the Belgian Catholic Church claimed Belgian officials are abusing euthanasia laws to kill people without reasonable consent.

Jean Kockerols, Auxiliary Bishop of Mechelen-Brussels, claimed that Belgian doctors are euthanizing patients without following proper medical and legal checks, sparking outcry from "not just the church's hierarchy, but doctors and medical professionals as well," according to the Catholic Herald. Belgium's Federal Commission for Monitoring and Evaluation of Euthanasia has violated "both the law and its role" by allowing the euthanization of the mentally handicapped and mentally ill and failing to prosecute doctors who shirk the required safeguards under current euthanasia law, according to a report from Cathobel.

"It's shocking that, 15 years since its creation, this commission has not referred a single file to prosecutors or condemned a single doctor," the report from the Belgian Catholic Church's news agency read.

"It is acting as judge and jury, and not fulfilling its role. It isn't broadening application of the law, but violating it," the report added.
Belgium's Euthanasia Control Commission, led by Dr. Wim Distelmans, has failed to prosecute doctors despite public complaints and ample evidence of malpractice, the report claims, citing the example of a 38-year-old woman who requested euthanasia after her boyfriend broke up with her. The woman was subsequently diagnosed with autism after meeting with three doctors, and euthanized two months later.

The woman's two sisters claimed the doctors never explored alternative treatments and reported the doctors' violations to the Euthanasia Control Commission. The commission found that the presiding doctor even failed to file the necessary paperwork and record of the euthanasia treatment, but showed grace for his negligence by allowing him to file the paperwork two months later. The commission did not prosecute or otherwise penalize anyone.
A member of the commission also recently resigned over the commission's failure to prosecute a doctor who euthanized a dementia patient without their consent, according to the report.

Deaths by euthanasia have increased annually in Belgium by 27 percent since euthanasia's legalization in 2002, health ministry data shows, according to Catholic Herald.

The commission is required to verify that each of those deaths follow the procedures mandated by current euthanasia law, but Kockerols asserted the commission's willful failure to do so is an open secret.

Kockerols told Catholic News Service the church has known for a long time that the commission was "not working as it should" and that it should be investigated and corrected. The church, Kockerols said, will continue to fight euthanasia practices and rally citizens against the moral evils they believe it represents.

"Even if there's little chance for now of legal changes, the church can work on a moral and pastoral level with medical staff and support critical voices," Kockerols told Catholic Herald.

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 01/15/2018 01:11 PM
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You might want to check with your leader to see if Belgium is a $hithole country or not before you get too fired up.
 01/15/2018 02:12 PM
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"Euthanasia Laws Used 'To Kill People Without Consent' "

"citing the example of a 38-year-old woman who requested euthanasia"

Do you even read that shit before you cut and paste it?



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Who cares? Yawn...

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Don't you seriously dislike Catholics, even hate their pope?

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 01/15/2018 04:18 PM
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Good post fishydude! I am all for us not killing people without their consent. I will be alert and guard against this in the future.



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Originally posted by: WG

"Euthanasia Laws Used 'To Kill People Without Consent' "



"citing the example of a 38-year-old woman who requested euthanasia"



Do you even read that shit before you cut and paste it?


"a 38-year-old woman who requested euthanasia after her boyfriend broke up with her. The woman was subsequently diagnosed with autism after meeting with three doctors, and euthanized two months later."

WOW!

Just WOW!

You're a serious asshole!

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The story came from Alex Jones.

Any bets on its fakeness?

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Mods, if FK does another fake, there should be a penalty.

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WG

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Does a diagnosis of autism relieve one of her rights?
Don't think so. The spectrum is broad. Your " rebuttal " makes no sense FK.


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 01/15/2018 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by: WG

Does a diagnosis of autism relieve one of her rights?

Don't think so. The spectrum is broad. Your " rebuttal " makes no sense FK.


Knowing that a woman suffers from an emotional episode (a break up of a relationship) that will pass is NO grounds to KILL her!

MEANING...NO grounds for 'consent'.

Autism is NO grounds (no consent) to kill her either!

ASSHOLE!

If she wants to kill herself...by herself...she can succeed with NO help at all.....

She was murdered!

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 01/16/2018 04:50 AM
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'Hey, there will be no killing around here, unless it's me with one of my 30 guns.'

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 01/16/2018 06:16 AM
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In other news the pope covered up one of the biggest pedophiles in history down in Chile, yay Catholicism.

They could solve world hunger with all their gold....wwjd?

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 01/16/2018 06:16 AM
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I am for euthanasia when full mental capacity to make the decision is combined with terminal illness strictly as an act of mercy. We do it for our pets because they can't make the decision themselves. We should be able to make the decision for ourselves.


If this is real news, then I have to agree with those calling it murder. Having an autism spectrum disorder is a VERY large range of disability from highly functioning to barely able to function. If someone with a spectrum disorder is judged to have the capacity to make their own decision for euthanasia, then you cannot use that very same disorder as grounds for euthanasia morally. Furthermore, when you add in the this person could possibly be suffering from depression due to relationship issues, a red flag should immediately be thrown up. In my opinion, this is like pushing someone off the ledge when they threatened to jump.
 01/16/2018 06:33 AM
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I agree in part, but there is certainly not enough detail there to know enough to insert our moral judgment or to justify the "without consent" thread title.

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 01/16/2018 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole Mods, if FK does another fake, there should be a penalty.

 

now, that there is some funny shyt, cole!!

 01/16/2018 08:35 AM
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Fish Killer

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Originally posted by: Cole

The story came from Alex Jones.



Any bets on its fakeness?


LIAR!

You get caught so often now that it's laughable!


I think that every time you get caught is a lie the mods should ban you for a week.

If this were the case you would have 15 minutes of access to NSR per week.

http://catholicherald.co.uk/ne...-belgian-church-warns/

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
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