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 12/13/2017 11:04 AM
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tpapablo

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Here's what they want to foist on you -

American Democrats are following Bernie Sanders in embracing single-payer health care on the Canadian model. But when they get sick, our neighbors to the north increasingly find that the only way to get “free” medical care is to wait for weeks or months.

The Fraser Institute’s new report, “Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada” in 2017, documents the problem. The Vancouver-based think tank surveyed physicians in 12 specialties across 10 provinces and found “a median waiting time of 21.2 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment.” This is worse than 2016’s wait of 20 weeks, making it the longest in the history of Fraser’s annual survey and 128% longer than the first survey in 1993.

The wait to see a specialist for a consultation is now 177% longer than in 1993, while the wait from consultation to treatment is 95% longer than in 1993. At 10.9 weeks it is more than three weeks longer than the 7.2-week wait considered clinically reasonable. The shortest waits are in radiation and oncology. But long waits for orthopaedic surgery, neurosurgery and ophthalmology, among others, far exceed what’s recommended and aren’t benign.

Author Bacchus Barua says the negative consequences can include “increased pain, suffering, and mental anguish” and sometimes “poorer medical outcomes—transforming potentially reversible illnesses or injuries into chronic, irreversible conditions, or even permanent disabilities.” He adds that “in many instances, patients may also have to forgo” wages while they await treatment.

Demand for diagnostic technology also outstrips supply, creating shortages in the form of lines: “This year, Canadians could expect to wait 4.1 weeks for a computed tomography (CT) scan, 10.8 weeks for a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scan, and 3.9 weeks for an ultrasound.” CT scan waits have increased while the nationwide average for MRI and ultrasound waits decreased this year.

Never vote for these people.



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 12/13/2017 11:17 AM
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wtf

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Progs may want that but not I, an Independent. I want single payer with the option to purchase additional private coverage on the open market, which you currently cannot do in Canada. Problem solver I am...

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 12/13/2017 11:22 AM
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tpapablo

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Originally posted by: wtf Progs may want that but not I, an Independent. I want single payer with the option to purchase additional private coverage on the open market, which you currently cannot do in Canada. Problem solver I am...

That is pure prog - make the poor people stand in line for months to get health care, while the entitled progs march right up to the front of the line.



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 12/13/2017 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by: tpapablo
Originally posted by: wtf Progs may want that but not I, an Independent. I want single payer with the option to purchase additional private coverage on the open market, which you currently cannot do in Canada. Problem solver I am...


That is pure prog - make the poor people stand in line for months to get health care, while the entitled progs march right up to the front of the line.


#FakeNews

The wait times would actually go down. Pure con, no ability to think ahead...



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 12/13/2017 11:33 AM
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WG

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: wtf Progs may want that but not I, an Independent. I want single payer with the option to purchase additional private coverage on the open market, which you currently cannot do in Canada. Problem solver I am...



That is pure prog - make the poor people stand in line for months to get health care, while the entitled progs march right up to the front of the line.


LOL @ people willing and able to pay more being called "entitled"
That sounds more like socialist talk than con talk. Are you feeling OK?

That's the way it works in the UK.
Everyone gets decent basic care, but yes, sometimes priorities mean you wait
If you don't want to, you can pay more.
To make single payer provide the sort of coverage that some company plans used to offer in the USA would be an expensive proposition
That's why company plan are getting smaller now too.

A lot of the poor ain't got nothing now.
15% still uncovered.

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 12/13/2017 04:20 PM
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follydude

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That's, like, their opinion, man.

The Fraser Institute is a Canadian public policy think tank and registered charity. It has been described as politically conservative and libertarian.


The dude who founded it, Michael Walker, is a self-described "free market" libertarian and the organization is connected to the Cato Institute.

#fakenews


 12/14/2017 04:57 PM
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nukeh2o

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Oinky's prog-a-ganda campaign in high gear. Must be some issues in chumpfland?
Lie.
Spin
Distract.
And then there's alway the classic fallback:
Yeah but obammer, yeah but clintons......


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 12/14/2017 05:11 PM
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Cole

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Give me a decent plan to cover anything major and I'll buy a secondary to cover the rest.

The Republican tax cut will save me $500.... maybe, then cost me an additional $1,000 a year in insurance premiums.



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