Sixty-two percent of respondents to an NPR/PBS Newshour/Marist University poll conducted after the violence in Charlottesville said that statues honoring leaders of the Confederacy should remain standing as historical symbols rather than be removed. In a different poll, by Economist/YouGov, a plurality of people (48 percent) said they disapproved of removing the Robert E. Lee statue from the Charlottesville park while 30 percent approved of taking the statue down. Notably, more than one out of five people (22 percent) had no opinion - a show of real ambiguity from Americans who aren't sure about the best thing to do.

Far more Americans are sure about their feelings on white supremacists. Eighty-six percent, according to the Marist poll, disagree with the white supremacy movement and 94 percent disagree with the views of the KKK.

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Trump may know the statue debate is a safer place for him to be than the maelstrom over whether both sides were to blame in Charlottesville. His true sentiments about his white nationalist supporters, whatever they may be, can lie unseen in the tall grasses of a more academic debate about how we memorialize our history."

the debate over whether these statues are racist symbols or vestiges of a fraught history that has something to teach us.



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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

So 14% of Americans agree with the white supremacists and 25% of Americans identify as Republicans.
I bet I could accurately draw that Venn diagram without need for any polls.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 08/22/2017 at 02:46 PM by WG

86% republicans
44% democrats
67% independents

Agree that confederate statues should remain as a historical symbol.



Also 44% of African Americans believe they should remain.

Also the white supremacy thing is actually this who mostly agree with them, not sure where you got your numbers from but it doesn't appear to be the actual poll....

2% democrat
3% republican
3% independent


Looks like you added in all the unsure and don't care answers which isn't the same as agreeing with them.

Oddly ....

4% African American
3% White
7% Latino


Mostly Agree with the white supremacy movement. Not sure I understand that one tbh...

Similar with white/black being the lowest flipping for alt right and white nationalist mostly agreeing.

It is clear in this poll that the real racists in this country are latinos, not white people.


Edit: flips back for the KKK with more black people agreeing with them than white people 2% vs 1%... and those racist latinos at 6%

I also agree that they should remain as a historical symbols.
Few are arguing for their destruction.

But these historical symbols belong in museums of history or cemeteries, not in front of public buildings or in public parks where their presence implies approval by the public and where they have become as rallying points for the scum who want to turn back history.
If they are public statements, they need to be amended with more symbols to temper the veneration of "heritage" with the reality that these men fought for a system that (almost) all now recognize as evil.

The white supremacist sympathizers numbers came from the Marist poll quoted in the link as I posted, the party affiliation number was from a Gallup poll.

Were did your numbers come from Miker?


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Here is the full poll

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/w...017,%202017.pdf#page=3

Thanks for the link.
The poll is accurately quoted in the article I linked to.

"From what you have heard or seen about each of the following do you mostly agree or mostly disagree with their beliefs: The white supremacy movement?"

Only 86% of Republicans "mostly disagree" with the white supremacists. That leaves 14% of Republicans who can't even "mostly disagree". (they mostly agree, have no opinion or are unsure)
There is really no room for ambiguity here, if you can't check the "mostly disagree" box WRT this shit that makes you white supremacists or at least a sympathizer.

(9% of Democrats too, that the delta is so low is astounding to me)

That anti-black racism is strong in the white Latino community is no big surprise.


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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

You can't skew poll results to fit your narrative. Having no opinion doesn't mean supporting racists... that is a fucking leap that you have no right to make. Some people simply choose to stay out of it because of the conflict surrounding the subject. Sorry, but you are just making assumptions.

Curious, how does more black people than white people agreeing with the KKK fit into your narrative?


Edited: 08/22/2017 at 05:45 PM by miker

Having no opinion about racists is pretty unexplainable, it either indicates they are oblivious or too cowardly to admit where they stand but it is a bit nit because those numbers are so small.

The black thing doesn't make any sense, any more than the narrow difference between Rs and Ds does.

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

From the poll numbers D's need to get young people to vote.

Personal opinion. The confederacy was a bunch of rich folk that conned a bunch of poor folk to go get killed for their cause.  Nothing better. 

In reading wiki about the states filings for secession this seems par for the course:

"The secession ordinances of the remaining two states, Florida and Louisiana, simply declared their severing of ties with the federal Union, without stating any causes.^[35][36] Afterward, the Florida secession convention formed a committee to draft a declaration of causes, but the committee was discharged before completion of the task.^[37] Only an undated, untitled draft remains.^[38]"

Texas mentioned slavery 21 times in their secession docs.  From the Texas secession document:

"She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time."

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/2feb1861.html

Takeaway... The confederacy was full of $hit.

Here is a great idea, for decades conservatives have tried to remove government funding for the arts, not because conservatives are opposed to art, but because they did not want their money going to deviant and political art.

The Left has always defended deviancy, whether by visual means or comedy, by calling it ART. That’s the magic word.

But it only works if you’re a leftist. We need to make it work for us.

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Romans 8;18-32 John 3;16-18

How about that other word, plagiarism?

Then put down the tiki torch and get to painting crankit.
I bet you would be good at it.
Fascists have commissioned a lot of propaganda art in the past.
You might get paid well

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"The truth is incontrovertible.
malice may attack it,
ignorance may deride it,
but in the end,
there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill