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Topic Title: SCOTUS reinstates much of travel ban
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Created On: 06/26/2017 08:29 AM
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 06/26/2017 08:29 AM
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 06/26/2017 08:49 AM
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Supreme Court on Donald's Muslim ban:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/o...16pdf/16-1436_l6hc.pdf

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 06/26/2017 09:26 AM
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The announcement came in a brief, unsigned opinion issued by the justices when they took the bench this morning to release opinions in cases argued on the merits earlier this term. The court's opinion focused primarily on the government's request to reinstate the ban while the cases are before the Supreme Court. Emphasizing that the purpose of temporary relief like this is "to balance the equities as the litigation moves forward," the court made clear that it had the authority to "tailor" its ruling so that it applied to some, but not all, of those affected.

That is precisely what it did. The lower courts had considered the hardships that the ban would create for the named plaintiffs in the case: two men with family members who want to come to the United States from the affected countries; and the state of Hawaii, whose state university had admitted students from those countries. But, the court explained today, the lower courts' orders barring enforcement of the ban "reach much further than that," because they also apply to people living overseas "who have no connection to the United States at all." When those people are unable to come to the United States, the court reasoned, their constitutional rights are not violated - because they have no right to come to the United States - and their exclusion from the country does not harm anyone in the United States.

The justices therefore upheld the lower courts' orders blocking enforcement of the ban with regard to the named plaintiffs and others like them - people who "have a credible claim" of a genuine relationship with someone or an institution in the United States. When that relationship is with an individual, the court made clear, it must be a close family member. And when the relationship is with an institution, the relationship must also be a genuine one, rather than one created just to get around the travel ban."

SCOTUBlog on the Muslim ban announcement

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 06/26/2017 10:07 AM
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Darn!

You scumbag progs just can't get it together!

Can't you do anything right?

http://www.sarahpalin.com/scot...t-victory-yet/?ref=Ads

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 06/26/2017 10:07 AM
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that's funny

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 06/26/2017 10:10 AM
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"It's hard to say how the legal case will shape up. But as the Court deliberates, it's worth noting that the policy justification for this ban - terrorism - is complete hogwash.

No person from the six targeted countries has committed a deadly terrorist attack inside US borders. The Trump administration has not offered any compelling reason to believe that citizens of those countries pose any kind of special terrorist threat going forward. The odds of being killed by an immigrant terrorist of any kind, let alone a Muslim immigrant, are one in 3.6 million.

Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani, of all people, admitted the real thinking behind the ban. In a January interview, he said that the president had asked him and others about how to do a ban on Muslim immigration "legally" - and that this ban was the result of that process. It all goes back to what President Trump said back in December 2015 when he first announced the ban proposal: that the US needed "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" because there is "great hatred towards Americans" among Muslims.

The thinking here is quite clear - Muslims are an enormous threat to American lives, and that the federal government needs to stop more Muslims from coming to the US by whatever means possible.

This is bigoted - and, according to the best data we have, empirically false. A January study from University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill sociologist Charles Kurzman that tallies up the data on terrorist attacks committed by Muslim Americans shows why.

The study found that only 46 Muslim Americans (defined in the study as "Muslims who lived in the US for an extended period") were linked to violent extremism at home or abroad in 2016. The total Muslim American population is 3.3 million.

Of those 46, only 24 were actually implicated in a concrete terrorist plot; the others did things like attempting to travel to Syria to join ISIS. Those plots claimed 54 lives, the vast majority of which (49) came in a single attack - the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando. Kurzman also looked specifically at immigrants and Muslims whose families hail from the countries targeted travel ban - and, you guessed it, found no special propensity for terrorism."


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 06/26/2017 10:18 AM
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^^^^ALL 100% Bovine Excrement^^^^

"It's hard to say how the legal case will shape up"

BULL SHIT!

It's a done deal!



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 06/26/2017 10:29 AM
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LOL, they just agreed to hear it.
The ACLU was hoping that this would get to the Supremes.

But I doubt that the legal discussion will ever get to the part of how stupid and non-functional the idea is.

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 06/26/2017 10:36 AM
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Dang, all those tourists from Yemen and Somalia who were coming to Disney this summer...

I wonder if it occurs to them that had the ban not included those now excepted, the outcry and the lawsuits might never have happened?

People traveling on valid VISAs where detained and sent back. Students, families, employees; that shit don't fly in our America.

If those legitimate travelers aren't affected, I'm not worried about it. But it's a temporary thing anyway, is the trump government even going to exist when this expires?

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 06/26/2017 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by: WG

LOL, they just agreed to hear it.

The ACLU was hoping that this would get to the Supremes.



But I doubt that the legal discussion will ever get to the part of how stupid and non-functional the idea is.


We have a MAJORITY on SCOTUS.

Possibly an even more conservative one if Kennedy steps down right now!

It's a DONE deal!

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 06/26/2017 04:08 PM
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Bumped due to the fact that assholes need to SEE what their 'resistance' has cost them!

You won't have SCOTUS for DECADES...if ever again!

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 06/26/2017 04:36 PM
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Feels so much safer already!
Thank you muslim ban
 06/26/2017 05:04 PM
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Cole

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Had the original gone through it would be ending now and nothing has changed. The ban is a joke.

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 06/26/2017 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Cole

Had the original gone through it would be ending now and nothing has changed. The ban is a joke.


You make absolutely NO sense!

Your reasoning skills are what's a Joke!

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 06/27/2017 05:50 AM
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It's a six month ban. It would be over now.

Other than chaos, what will a six month ban accomplish?

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 06/27/2017 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover Feels so much safer already! Thank you muslim ban

Actually, you should thank us Trump voters. You guys wouldn't be alive were it not for conservatives. Progs are too dumb to save themselves.

Now that this is settled, Congress needs to look into impeaching the judges who halted this up until now. Those partisan idiots have no business being on any court.



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 06/27/2017 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover Feels so much safer already! Thank you muslim ban




Actually, you should thank us Trump voters. You guys wouldn't be alive were it not for conservatives. Progs are too dumb to save themselves.




Now that this is settled, Congress needs to look into impeaching the judges who halted this up until now. Those partisan idiots have no business being on any court.


1000's more Americans are killed by terrorists under a conservo regime. Now it's just a matter a time before the next mass american casualty thanks to this buffoon in the WH. Tick tock...



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 06/27/2017 08:14 AM
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More Americans are killed by bacon.

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 06/27/2017 08:30 AM
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Is it safe to go to the maul now?
 06/27/2017 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole

It's a six month ban. It would be over now.
Other than chaos, what will a six month ban accomplish?


Keeping out people that we have NO WAY of vetting.

The travel ban also can be extended...at any time.

FOOL!

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