Way to go, cause everyone knows we need more LEAD in wildlife refugees

Link fixed

Err, refuge, not refugee

“The Obama administration failed to consult with state fish and wildlife agencies or national angling and hunting organizations in issuing this order. This was not a decision based on sound scientific evidence — it was a last second attack on traditional ammunition and our hunting heritage.”

Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), who had asked for the repeal Wednesday, applauded Zinke’s action.

“I’m pretty certain the bureaucrat that put this regulation in place has never hunted elk in Montana,” he said in a statement. “Secretary Zinke is off to a strong start protecting Montana’s and our country’s hunting and fishing heritage.”

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That is a rather unique response crankit.
You refering to "sound scientific evidence"...as a solution to a problem...
Do you have any idea what a scientific study is?
I'm serious.
Waiting for a response .
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I haven't followed the issue in any detail, but lead problems from waterfowl hunting have been obvious for many years, and restricting lead in ammunition has gone excruciatingly slowly.  

While many of the National Wildlife Refuges support hunting (many were set up to conserve duck and goose habitats and to improve hunting opportunities for the public), they're not just shooting galleries.  They're about clean habitats.  

I am a bit doubful that state wildlife agencies were united against the ban.  

Lead has been known to be toxic for a very long time.  Benjamin Franklin wrote letters about avoiding lead poisoning in the printing business, which used lots of molten lead.  

I don't see the point for rifle ammo, but for shot and around water it's huge.

What a load of bullshit. The science on the harm lead shot causes is a done deal.

These flag waving pricks should have stayed in science class.



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I was right.

"The courage and the vision to bring back lead".

Lead shot has been banned in many places due to it's toxic effect on waterfowl that ingest it, fish etc.

Why do we need to bring it back?

Meanwhile, here in florida: p.utins p.et pigblo says rick scott is doing a great job. By allowing benzene and a whole host of other poisonous carcinogen levels to rise in our groundwater. thnx to his fracking sponsors (aka lobbyists). One of the great eco criminals in american history, certainly in floridas. Much more to come on pig rick.
It truly is about time for florida and americas outdoor and water sportsfolks to stand up to the chumpf scum and big ricks lobbying pigs
Fuck big sugar....

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"Let's get to work!"........................screwing Florida's ecosystems.

They aren't talking about lead shot, it is lead in bullets, how many bullets shot by hunters end up in the land?  Not the same as at a rifle range, and steel shot has been around for around 50 years in waterfowel hunting coleslaw!

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" In addition to the lead remaining from waterfowl hunting, lead ammunition continues to enter the environment from other types of hunting and shooting activities in the United States. Deer hunting is the most popular type of hunting in the United States, with 10.1 million participants nationwide in 2006 ( USFWS200 6). At least 3.8 million deer were harvested by resident hunters and 0.7 million deer harvested by non-resident hunters (USFWS 2006 ). It is common practice to fi eld dress game and discard the internal organs and tissues on the landscape, leaving a lighter carcass to transport out of the fi eld. As a result, each harvested deer may result in an offal pile that may be accessed by scavenging birds and other wildlife. In addition, studies have revealed that a signifi cant number of deer are shot but not retrieved by hunters. Though exact wounding rates are diffi cult to enumerate and are likely to vary across regions, attempts at estimations have produced similar results: 21–24 % in Illinois, 24 % in Montana, and 17–32 % in Indiana (Stormer et al. 1979 ; Dusek et al. 1989 ; Nixon et al. 2001 ). Other types of hunting also generate substantial participation. Small game such as rabbit, squirrel, pheasant, and quail comprised the next largest group after deer with about 7.5 million hunters followed by turkey (2.6 million) and dove (1.2 million) hunters. Waterfowl hunting accounts for 1.8 million hunters, though no longer contributes to new lead in the environment. Hunting for varmint (coyote, raccoon, fox) and other game (e.g., upland birds and mammals) also takes place and the extent varies by region (USFWS 2006 ). Poaching of deer and other game species may add to these estimates of wounded prey, carcasses, offal piles, and lead ammunition in the environment, though the magnitude of illegal hunting activity is difficult to evaluate. "

https://www.fws.gov/midwest/refuges/Review%20and%20Assessment%20paper.pdf

 

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https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/files/uploads/order_no._3346.pdf

 

Incorrect. Read the order by the interior secretary. It is linked here.

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geeks!

literature citations!  

um,  

geeks!  

 

also: quic calc  

4.5M deer/yr at 150gr 30 06 is about 48 tons lead / yr.

With 12 guage slug it's about 140 tons / yr.

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Edited: 05/22/2017 at 10:10 AM by tom

People been whupped up about this before.

 

http://www.2ndlight.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=4&threadid=112891

 

 

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I remember when steel shot became mandatory for waterfowl, but couldn't remember and had to look it up.

1991 - so that is about 26-ish years. 

Before that there were some areas that either required or requested steel shot while phasing out lead shot but it wasn't fully regulated until 1991. 

Personally, I agree that steel for waterfowl is appropriate.  Not so much for upland bird unless there are a lot of raptors in that hunting area.  Rifle/handgun hunting isn't really an issue, either.

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In the 70's they mandated steel in the management areas and places like MI refuge, Bamboo is right about 1991 for full changeover, the states before that had their own regulations.

I read #219 and didn't see where the 1991 regulation was recinded, just the last minute obama one.

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Edited: 05/22/2017 at 12:23 PM by crankit

If it is just rifle, personally I don't consider rifle bullets much of an ecological threat.

There aren't enough of them shot in the hunting fields.