Nope. But if,your are hauling crap,you don't need a truck either. My truck went when I got rid of my boat.

What?

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

..effing hypocrites.

The Right had a conniption when fuel prices rose under Obama, now they are a good thing?

Clowns. lol



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Not me. The President has about as much control over gas prices as he does with Tampax.

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Dora Hates You

Speculation more than actual cost is what drives prices anyways

good luck getting a response from the conservos.  The technology and research going on across the world to improve the efficiency of "renewable" energy sources continues, and it will continue to yield improvements.  Hey wait, doesn't Canada have most of the tar sands?  Didn't der trumpenhoffer just diss them?  That's good isolationist politics for sure. 

[edit] beer can spelling.

Edited: 04/23/2017 at 04:53 PM by pompano

Crude prices?

The man who called crude's collapse three years ago now sees this

Rebecca Ungarino
CNBC.com

Friday, 21 Apr 2017 | 4:26 PM ET | 06:16

In late 2014, when crude oil was vacillating between roughly $60 and $80 a barrel, Tom Kloza of the Oil Price Information Service called for a plunge in crude prices over the next year. He was right - crude's value per barrel was nearly slashed in half by the end of 2015.

Now, Kloza sees further downside for the commodity that's already tumbled nearly 8 percent this year as U.S. production keeps climbing. He predicts crude will trade in the upper end of the $40 range, perhaps eke over $60 a barrel, but ultimately remain in its recent low- to mid-$50 range for some time as increased shale production has significantly impacted the market.

"Back to the drawing board for crude oil prices," he remarked Friday in an interview on CNBC's "Trading Nation." Kloza's comments come on the heels of crude oil's worst weekly performance since early March, in which the commodity lost nearly 7 percent to settle just below $50 a barrel.

"It's the sense that too much gasoline and really a drop in U.S. demand in particular, but a little bit of softness in India and some other places, is going to lead to an undertow for refinery runs," Kloza, who co-founded the Oil Price Information Service and is the firm's global head of energy analysis, said Friday.

Concerns of oversupply in the oil market have dragged prices down, Kloza noted, and paired with "a lot of weak charts and a lot of technical selling really brought the market back down to earth." Indeed, crude on Friday dipped below its 50-day moving average and in late March dove beneath its 200-day moving average, indicating weakness on a technical front.

In the U.S., crude oil stockpiles fell by 1 million barrels last week, the U.S. Energy Information Administration reported; inventory still hovers near record highs. Kloza said he believes crude oil stockpiles will drop every week this quarter and next quarter, which may, in theory, prove bullish for crude prices, "but that's going to require a lot of patience."

"The people who are looking for $60 and $70 [per barrel], they have to realize something. We haven't actually had a month for WTI where it averaged in the 60s since September of 2009," he said, adding that there were many months following that year in which crude oil averaged anywhere between $80 and $100 per barrel, but not typically in the $60 range.

Furthermore, market watchers looking for oil to end up in the upper $60-$70 range in the intermediate term are going to have to "come back to Earth."

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FWIW -

"Diesel" fuel is no longer the "less refined product" it once was.  

It's just another cleaned up, highly refined petroleum fraction,

based on the approximate distillation point of cetane rather than octane.

And in other news,

Just back from work in SC where gas is $1.95 to $2.10.  

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Yeah, but S.C. has one of the highest state income taxes.

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

 

I did not stutter. Tighten up bro.

hmm, page 2.

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

Don't know what you are talking about. Gas is practically free here in the Tampa area. Seems like you are getting ripped off.

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Thanks for the chemistry update. I guess in the end it boils down to supply and demand...

Interesting side discussion: Suburban Propane told me propane generally tracks the price of regular gas. When I leased my 500-gallon tank from them, they more specifically said it was about the same price as regular gas, not just something that increased and decreased in the same pattern. My first fill confirmed that.

When it came time for a refill, the bill was for almost $5/gallon. A web search showed national prices averaging very close to regular gas, which was under $2.50 at the time. I called them on it, and they dropped it to low $4.xx, but gave me the sob story about distribution costs being higher in FL.

Anyone else have similar experience with AmeriGas or Suburban Propane?

I was going to add a propane-powered generator to the house before hurricane season, but now I'm thinking maybe I should go with a diesel-powered generator instead.

 

once again you confuse quantity with quality. SAD!

FWIW -

the difference between diesel and propane with respect to a backup generator is shelf life

propane lasts, diesel doesn't, and it's hard to use diesel for other purposes

 

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Wondering about that... how long is too long in an airtight container?

My dad used to keep a couple 55-gallon drums at the house to refuel his tractor, and I never heard about shelf-life issues. He would just filter it and let any accumulated water out the bottom like you do pre-flight in an aircraft.

Since I have a VW TDI, I was thinking I could use the drums at home to refuel my car, and top off the generator drums with fresh fuel about every month.

Looks like diesel has about 50% more BTU/gal than propane, but it's hard to compete with the buried 500-gallon propane tank I already have. Feasibility study may end early!

The propane is easier to store and use. Diesel generators are not cheap.

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"One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky.

Hey clownboy, how many times have you failed at trying to kill a thread.

I'd take a different approach it I were you. You suck at this one.



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I was right.

Meh, not so much. You seem to be the only one trolling on this one. Why don't you run along and create the most unbelievable thread, so we can all see how it is done. Start a conversation. Or. STFU.

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I noticed it always coincides with their own desires

Susan B. Anthony
1896

Impeach Trump

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