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 03/29/2017 10:04 AM
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Cole

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Coal jobs are gone. Switch corporate subsidies to education; be it trade or advance degree.

Handing free money to people that already have it makes zero fcking sense.

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 03/29/2017 11:09 AM
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tpapablo

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Originally posted by: Cole Coal jobs are gone. Switch corporate subsidies to education; be it trade or advance degree. Handing free money to people that already have it makes zero fcking sense.

Don't know where you got your info, but coal jobs are not gone.

Handing free money to anyone makes no sense.



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 03/29/2017 11:15 AM
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WG

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Coal mining jobs vs coal production

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The courage and vision to bring back the typewriter.
 03/29/2017 01:14 PM
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Ah, the courage and vision to bring back the redwood plank to ride the "rollers" at the pier.
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tpapablo

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We will let economics decide the issue, not the gov't.



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 03/30/2017 04:54 AM
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Cole

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The economics has decided, natural gas is cheaper and more effective, hence the reason it has replaced coal. A natural gas pipeline is being set through central Florida at this very moment.

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 03/30/2017 05:22 AM
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wtf

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Us independents know that this admin is a disaster. LMAO every day. It is fun watching you dumbasses try to justify this loser...

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scombrid

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economics.

let the big guys freeload on the commons with massive negative externalities.

economics.



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only adds up if you deny the science

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 03/30/2017 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by: Cole The economics has decided, natural gas is cheaper and more effective, hence the reason it has replaced coal. A natural gas pipeline is being set through central Florida at this very moment.

The PiC decided. Now, economics will decide. Question though. If coal is dead in any event, why are you progs raising such hell about this? According to what you are saying, this will affect nothing.



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I spend my life in the outdoors, both in private and professional. In essence, trump is killing the environment out of spite and to bring back something that no longer exists.

That is my concern.

Do you actually believe that allowing increased pollution into rivers is a fcking good thing?



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 03/30/2017 07:12 AM
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The free market doesn't care about human life.

There's nothing wrong with capitalism balanced with a humane morality.

 03/30/2017 07:34 AM
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WG

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Originally posted by: tpapablo

Originally posted by: Cole The economics has decided, natural gas is cheaper and more effective, hence the reason it has replaced coal. A natural gas pipeline is being set through central Florida at this very moment.




The PiC decided. Now, economics will decide. Question though. If coal is dead in any event, why are you progs raising such hell about this? According to what you are saying, this will affect nothing.




You don't pay very good attention some times, so I will spell it out again for you, not like this will help you get it.

It won't do much to increase coal miners jobs because they were lost to automation, not regulation.
It won't do a lot to increase coal production because the market for coal is slowed by natural gas & fracking. The market doesn't need or want more coal.

LOL @ "economics will decide" This is a perversion of the market, a subsidy, a favor to contributors. Horrible news for a free market economy.

It won't increase our "energy independence" because that is meaningless jargon.

It is a lifeline to the coal mine owners, will allow them to keep producing a little longer.
It will stall the very real need to quickly reduce coal production.


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 03/30/2017 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by: WG
Originally posted by: tpapablo
Originally posted by: Cole The economics has decided, natural gas is cheaper and more effective, hence the reason it has replaced coal. A natural gas pipeline is being set through central Florida at this very moment.

 

The PiC decided. Now, economics will decide. Question though. If coal is dead in any event, why are you progs raising such hell about this? According to what you are saying, this will affect nothing.

 

You don't pay very good attention some times, so I will spell it out again for you, not like this will help you get it. It won't do much to increase coal miners jobs because they were lost to automation, not regulation. It won't do a lot to increase coal production because the market for coal is slowed by natural gas & fracking. The market doesn't need or want more coal. LOL @ "economics will decide" This is a perversion of the market, a subsidy, a favor to contributors. Horrible news for a free market economy. It won't increase our "energy independence" because that is meaningless jargon. It is a lifeline to the coal mine owners, will allow them to keep producing a little longer. It will stall the very real need to quickly reduce coal production.

I repeat, if no more coal will be mined - which is what you contend, why will this "kill millions?" And how will owners get rich if no coal is being mined or, if it is, it can't be sold? What subsidies?



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No less will be mined either as a result of this.
And that's what needs to happen

Coal subsidies


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Originally posted by: tpapablo

 

The PiC decided. Now, economics will decide.

Economics says you dump all the slurry into the valley and let the stream below flow with acid and metals. Economics says you discharge all the sulfur you want into the air.

That is unless you put a price tag on the pollution.

 

 According to what you are saying, this will affect nothing.

 

Incorrect.

The jobs that are gone are not coming back.

Coal will still be mined and there may even be an uptick in tons hauled if allowing the producers to freeload on the commons makes the sale price a bit lower.

That uptick in production will come at a massive pollution cost but will produce few new jobs.

 

 



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 03/30/2017 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by: tpapablo

 

 

 

I repeat, if no more coal will be mined -

Same coal. More pollution.

which is what you contend,

Same coal. More pollution.

And how will owners get rich

Same coal. More pollution.

If gross take stays the same and the cost goes down because you are dumping the negative externalities on the commons...

 

if no coal is being mined

 

Pretty sure there's a graph of production linked in this thread that puts the lie to this assertion.



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 03/30/2017 06:27 PM
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theglide

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The courage and the wisdom to pollute streams, tear the tops off mountains, pollute local streams, create acidic waters in other states that are devoid of life, rain that takes the paint off cars, all for a commodity that is more expensive than our abundant supply of natural gas.

The cowardice and the idiocy to secure votes in Appalachia.

It worked.

 03/31/2017 05:49 AM
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damonsharp

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Awesome!

Back to the good ol' days!

Maybe he can bring back polio and prohibition! You know how many jobs that'd create?
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