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theglide

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At the Trump rally he referred to a recent terror attack in Sweden.

I can't find a news outlet reporting this.

What happened or is this fake news like his largest EC win since Reagan?
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It was Bowling green Sweden.

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I don't follow Swedish news, but the gang rape of a Swedish woman by 3 Afghan immigrants that they streamed live on Facebook made the international news last month.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/24/...en-rape-facebook-live/
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Originally posted by: theglide

At the Trump rally he referred to a recent terror attack in Sweden.



I can't find a news outlet reporting this.



What happened or is this fake news like his largest EC win since Reagan?


It wasn't "FAKE NEWS" it was a flat out fucking lie. Just like most of what comes out of this "off white house".

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Originally posted by: gdudewe

Originally posted by: theglide
At the Trump rally he referred to a recent terror attack in Sweden.
I can't find a news outlet reporting this.
What happened or is this fake news like his largest EC win since Reagan?

It wasn't "FAKE NEWS" it was a flat out fucking lie. Just like most of what comes out of this "off white house".


No in fact it wasn't.

Yall really should put your BIG boy panties on. (notice I used the word 'panties'....those are used for pussified boys)

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My wife is headed over to Ikea for the candle light vigil today.

And maybe pick up a funky Swedish lamp for the living room.



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yeah, put on your big boy pussified versace thong dude

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The "Bowling Green Massacre" - quotes are there for a reason.
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Here's a pattern, Trump says something then his spokespeople need to explain what he said.

"You look what's happening in Sweden last night" might imply that something happened in Sweden last night?
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What will happen when he has to say something truly important to the American people and the world? Can he be truthful and unambiguous?

And please, don't compare his erratic messages with past office holders. There is no comparison. The question is whether we are resilient enough to survive this onslaught on English, clarity and accuracy.

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He is an idiot, not last night but last YEAR. Malmo is known as "Sweden's Chicago" because mass immigration is so beneficial. Sweden is becoming a 3rd world shithole like the rest of Europe...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_viPSD-bY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEeXd9b01uY

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Originally posted by: surfdrawn

He is an idiot, not last night but last YEAR. Malmo is known as "Sweden's Chicago" because mass immigration is so beneficial. Sweden is becoming a 3rd world shithole like the rest of Europe...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_viPSD-bY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEeXd9b01uY


Have you ever been to Europe? I'm guessing no, because that's one of the dumbest comments I've ever read.


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Originally posted by: RegularJoe I don't follow Swedish news, but the gang rape of a Swedish woman by 3 Afghan immigrants that they streamed live on Facebook made the international news last month. http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/24/...en-rape-facebook-live/
Notice CNN doesn't bother to mention Afghans.
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Originally posted by: baddarryl

Originally posted by: RegularJoe

I don't follow Swedish news, but the gang rape of a Swedish woman by 3 Afghan immigrants that they streamed live on Facebook made the international news last month.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/24/...en-rape-facebook-live/


Notice CNN doesn't bother to mention Afghans.



What was the nationality of the perpetrators of the Bowling Green massacre?

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Well there was no massacre, but the guys that were planning an attack were Iraqis who had come to the U.S. through a refugee resettlement program.

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Originally posted by: miker

Well there was no massacre, but the guys that were planning an attack were Iraqis who had come to the U.S. through a refugee resettlement program.


Actually, it was all concocted by the FBI. No attacks were planned in the US.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/02...en-fbi-foiled-fbi-plot

"Conway is correct about a few things: there were two Bowling Green men arrested for terrorism; they were Iraqis who had come to the U.S. through a refugee resettlement program; and their story did prompt then-President Obama to slow or suspend Iraqi-refugee immigration for around six months. But there are a few other key things to keep in mind about this Bowling Green "terrorist plot"...

1. It was concocted entirely by the FBI.




The young men involved, Waad Ramadan Alwan and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, had come to the U.S. in 2009 as part of a program for displaced Iraqis. Once settled in Kentucky, the men were solicited by undercover FBI agents to help them send money and weapons to militants back in Iraq.

In August 2010, a confidential FBI informant first met with Alwan and "represented to Alwan that he was working with a group to ship money and weapons to Mujahadeen in Iraq," according to an FBI statement. From that fall through the following spring, the FBI informant invited Alwan to participate in 10 operations to send weapons or money to Iraq. Hammadi joined in the efforts, recruited by Alwan, in January 2011. Throughout the operations, the FBI supplied all materials and took care of all logistics for the imaginary operation, with Alwan and Hammadi merely offering manpower.

Despite the FBI's then-assertion that Alwan and Hammadi were just the tip of the terrorist-cell iceberg in small-town Kentucky, the agency never found additional terrorist agents in the area.

2. It did not involve plans to attack in the U.S.

Back in Iraq, Alwan and Hammadi had been involved efforts to fight off invading U.S. soldiers during the early days of the Iraq war, according to what they told undercover officials. But throughout their interactions with undercover FBI agents in 2010 and 2011, Alwan and Hammadi never discussed plans to attack anyone or cause destruction on U.S. soil. And while they were found guilty of attempting to provide material support to al Qaeda militants back in Iraq, the men never indicated that they were personally in contact with any militants, attempted to procure weapons for such individuals, or attempted to provide any of their own money to such individuals. Rather, they showed up when and where the FBI informant told them to and helped physically load decoy supplies into whatever they were allegedly being shipped from. (For more on the FBI's history of manufacturing terrorists like this, see here.)

3. It's in rare company.

According to the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, only three of the 784,000 refugees cleared for U.S. resettlement since 2001 - the two Bowling Green men and a male refugee from Uzbekistan - have been arrested for terrorism or plotting terrorist acts. The Uzbek man, Fazliddin Kurbanov, had come here with his parents as Christian refugees who were being persecuted for their religion in Uzbekistan. But once in the U.S. for a few years, Kurbanov converted to Islam. He was convicted in 2015 for possessing unregistered explosives and attempting to provide money and computer support to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. Kurbanov was sentenced to 25 years in federal prison. Hammadi was sentenced to life in prison, and Alwan to 40 years.

As Ronald Bailey noted here in 2015, there have been several other terrorism arrests attributed to refugees, such as the Tsarnaev brothers, better known as the Boston Marathon bombers. But the Tsarnaev brothers weren't admitted to the U.S. as refugees but as the minor children of adults granted asylum. "The distinction between refugees and asylees is not just a legal technicality," explains Bailey. "Aslyees are self-selected - they show up at or within the border and apply for asylum. As long as the asylum application is pending, they cannot be thrown out of the country. In contrast, refugees are generally designated as such by U.N. officials, and they usually live in refugee camps. They go through a vetting process that takes up to two or three years."

There may be slightly more rogue refugees than the Migration Policy Institute estimates. There was also Mohamed Osman Mohamud, "the would-be Portland Christmas bomber" of 2010, who came to the U.S. as a 5-year-old with parents who were either refugees or asylees; he was turned in to the FBI by his father. And Ramiz and Sedina Hodzic, two of six Bosnian immigrants indicted in 2015 for allegedly sending money to ISIS, were also admitted as refugees when they were children. Yet as Bailey notes, Kurbanov, Mohamud, and the Hodzics were all radicalized after coming to America. "None of these people, be they refugees or anything else, were sleeper agents who intentionally remained inactive for a long period, established a secure position, and then struck. None, in other words, fit the scenario being bandied about to justify keeping the Syrians out."

4. It's been used to support anti-refugee sentiment ever since.

Following news of Alwan and Hammadi's arrests, the Obama-administration State Department slowed the processing of Iraqi refugee visa applications to a near-halt for several months. Since then, this "Bowling Green terror plot" has resurfaced several times when politically convenient. In 2015, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) used it as fodder for why we needed to block Obama from allowing in additional Syrian refugees. Now it's being used by the Trump administration to justify the president's recent executive order temporarily banning immigration from seven countries."

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Link to article and sources

Conway is correct about a few things: there were two Bowling Green men arrested for terrorism; they were Iraqis who had come to the U.S. through a refugee resettlement program; and their story did prompt then-President Obama to slow or suspend Iraqi-refugee immigration for around six months. But there are a few other key things to keep in mind about this Bowling Green "terrorist plot"...

1. It was concocted entirely by the FBI.




The young men involved, Waad Ramadan Alwan and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, had come to the U.S. in 2009 as part of a program for displaced Iraqis. Once settled in Kentucky, the men were solicited by undercover FBI agents to help them send money and weapons to militants back in Iraq.

In August 2010, a confidential FBI informant first met with Alwan and "represented to Alwan that he was working with a group to ship money and weapons to Mujahadeen in Iraq," according to an FBI statement. From that fall through the following spring, the FBI informant invited Alwan to participate in 10 operations to send weapons or money to Iraq. Hammadi joined in the efforts, recruited by Alwan, in January 2011. Throughout the operations, the FBI supplied all materials and took care of all logistics for the imaginary operation, with Alwan and Hammadi merely offering manpower.

Despite the FBI's then-assertion that Alwan and Hammadi were just the tip of the terrorist-cell iceberg in small-town Kentucky, the agency never found additional terrorist agents in the area.

2. It did not involve plans to attack in the U.S.

Back in Iraq, Alwan and Hammadi had been involved efforts to fight off invading U.S. soldiers during the early days of the Iraq war, according to what they told undercover officials. But throughout their interactions with undercover FBI agents in 2010 and 2011, Alwan and Hammadi never discussed plans to attack anyone or cause destruction on U.S. soil. And while they were found guilty of attempting to provide material support to al Qaeda militants back in Iraq, the men never indicated that they were personally in contact with any militants, attempted to procure weapons for such individuals, or attempted to provide any of their own money to such individuals. Rather, they showed up when and where the FBI informant told them to and helped physically load decoy supplies into whatever they were allegedly being shipped from. (For more on the FBI's history of manufacturing terrorists like this, see here.)

3. It's in rare company.

According to the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, only three of the 784,000 refugees cleared for U.S. resettlement since 2001 - the two Bowling Green men and a male refugee from Uzbekistan - have been arrested for terrorism or plotting terrorist acts. The Uzbek man, Fazliddin Kurbanov, had come here with his parents as Christian refugees who were being persecuted for their religion in Uzbekistan. But once in the U.S. for a few years, Kurbanov converted to Islam. He was convicted in 2015 for possessing unregistered explosives and attempting to provide money and computer support to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. Kurbanov was sentenced to 25 years in federal prison. Hammadi was sentenced to life in prison, and Alwan to 40 years.

As Ronald Bailey noted here in 2015, there have been several other terrorism arrests attributed to refugees, such as the Tsarnaev brothers, better known as the Boston Marathon bombers. But the Tsarnaev brothers weren't admitted to the U.S. as refugees but as the minor children of adults granted asylum. "The distinction between refugees and asylees is not just a legal technicality," explains Bailey. "Aslyees are self-selected - they show up at or within the border and apply for asylum. As long as the asylum application is pending, they cannot be thrown out of the country. In contrast, refugees are generally designated as such by U.N. officials, and they usually live in refugee camps. They go through a vetting process that takes up to two or three years."

There may be slightly more rogue refugees than the Migration Policy Institute estimates. There was also Mohamed Osman Mohamud, "the would-be Portland Christmas bomber" of 2010, who came to the U.S. as a 5-year-old with parents who were either refugees or asylees; he was turned in to the FBI by his father. And Ramiz and Sedina Hodzic, two of six Bosnian immigrants indicted in 2015 for allegedly sending money to ISIS, were also admitted as refugees when they were children. Yet as Bailey notes, Kurbanov, Mohamud, and the Hodzics were all radicalized after coming to America. "None of these people, be they refugees or anything else, were sleeper agents who intentionally remained inactive for a long period, established a secure position, and then struck. None, in other words, fit the scenario being bandied about to justify keeping the Syrians out."

4. It's been used to support anti-refugee sentiment ever since.

Following news of Alwan and Hammadi's arrests, the Obama-administration State Department slowed the processing of Iraqi refugee visa applications to a near-halt for several months. Since then, this "Bowling Green terror plot" has resurfaced several times when politically convenient. In 2015, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) used it as fodder for why we needed to block Obama from allowing in additional Syrian refugees. Now it's being used by the Trump administration to justify the president's recent executive order temporarily banning immigration from seven countries."

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 02/21/2017 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Cole
Originally posted by: surfdrawn He is an idiot, not last night but last YEAR. Malmo is known as "Sweden's Chicago" because mass immigration is so beneficial. Sweden is becoming a 3rd world shithole like the rest of Europe... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_viPSD-bY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEeXd9b01uY
Have you ever been to Europe? I'm guessing no, because that's one of the dumbest comments I've ever read.

99.9% of your comments are dumb. Keep them peepers closed bleeding heart, if you don't think there are issues in Europe with mass immigration you're sadly mistaken.

You remind me of a couple far left family members of mine when I try to explain this with FACTS and when I explain Sharia law...they just refuse to listen.

Burn baby burn...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/20/trump-may-have-been-unclear-but-sweden-experiencing-migrant-crime-wave.html

http://nyheteridag.se/donald-trump-is-correct-i-live-in-an-immigrant-area-in-sweden-and-it-is-not-working-well/

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there are issues in Europe with mass immigration


This statement is true.

The extent or lack of such vetting for those entering the US is the issue that divides.
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Its not what he said, its what fox meant when they explained it? Sweden is not awash in an immigrant crime but they are no more crime free than any other country. Fox lied. Trump lied. Fox lied for Trump when Trump cited anecdotal evidence of immigrant crime.



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