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Topic Title: Who Think's ACA is working?
Topic Summary: Let's see a show of hands
Created On: 06/30/2016 01:02 PM
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 06/30/2016 01:02 PM
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Zeus

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You have to read this first ACA on Life Support

 06/30/2016 01:19 PM
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Wookie

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I'll show you a finger.



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 06/30/2016 02:15 PM
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dingpatch

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 06/30/2016 02:18 PM
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RustyTruck

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LMAO, thanks Wookie.

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 06/30/2016 02:28 PM
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Greensleeves

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My rates for a family have been stable for several years.  Shocking.

 06/30/2016 02:42 PM
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theglide

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Every year for the last 30 years rates and deductibles have gone up for me.

Why we allow insurance companies to make billions while providing no medical services is beyond me.

I blame increases on insurance companies, employers cutting back subsidies, insured paying for the uninsured and big pharma having unregulated pricing.

We should keep ACA until we have nationalized insurance.

We need to cut the middle man (insurance companies) out.
 06/30/2016 03:53 PM
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scombrid

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Need to get rid of tax subsidies for employer provided insurance.

Employers don't buy your property and liability insurance. You take your wage and go buy what you can based on your need/risk and your ability to pay. Employers don't buy your oil changes or buy your tires when they wear out either. No good reason for employers to be buying your health care for you except that the tax code pushed big employers to do that back in the day and the system became entrenched. It also severely distorted the market.

Need to quit using insurance as primary payer for primary care.

I say that even though I've got good insurance that is heavily subsidized by my employer. I recognize the effect that such a model has had on cost.



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 06/30/2016 04:53 PM
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SlimyBritches

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Mine went up this year to 1800.00 a month. Thanks Repugnitards for letting your racism fugg us up. At least they got rid of Lifetime Limits and preexisting condition rules.
 06/30/2016 04:55 PM
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RegularJoe

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No matter who provides the care or the payment for it, I've not heard many serious proposals for actually reducing costs.
 06/30/2016 05:08 PM
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RustyTruck

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We should take the burden off of employers and consider an American version of the British NHS.



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Cole

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I have a plan through work; it's the best one offered. I just paid $7,000 out of pocket.

My plan has nothing to do with Obamacare.

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 06/30/2016 07:36 PM
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theglide

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$7k out of pocket? That's horrible.
 06/30/2016 08:09 PM
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Cole

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I'm about $13 k out of pocket for the last three years.

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 06/30/2016 08:30 PM
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WG

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My kids were uncovered because they couldn't afford it, and one had a "pre-existing condition".
Now they both have insurance.
Works for me.


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 07/01/2016 04:13 AM
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dingpatch

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Screwy situation: politics has just as much to do with healthcare as the actual doctors do!!??

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 07/04/2016 04:58 AM
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SlimyBritches

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Originally posted by: RegularJoe

No matter who provides the care or the payment for it, I've not heard many serious proposals for actually reducing costs.

The Repugnican proposal is the same on this as other issues, "Whatever the market will bear."
 07/04/2016 10:27 AM
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RegularJoe

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Scombrid's proposals here address the government-induced inflationary pressure; Rusty's address the for-profit aspect, but haven't yet addressed fiscal responsibility in government managing the plan, rationing care, or providing alternatives like second opinions and appeals of unfavorable decisions.

A realistically feasible system might allow the government to offer a public option, but none yet prevent that option from anti-competitive predatory pricing (and losing money) in order to undercut private care options or burdening taxpayers who don't participate in that program.

"Whatever the market will bear" is naturally based on supply and demand, provided there is a truly free market, which we are nowhere close to having.

I believe the first answer is decreasing demand, and the second is increasing supply; both warrant lengthy discussion, with decisions guided by impartial people rather than special interests.
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