The amount your taxes will go up pale in comparison to what you are paying for private insurance with premiums, deductibles, etc.. Most estimates put the cost of socialized medicine at 1/4 the cost of what you are already paying the private industry. All the teabaggers bitch about is the "tax increase", and seem incapable of seeing the big picture, in which household income substantially increases. Retards..

If socialized costs would be 1/4 of current costs, what are the other 3/4 of the current total, and realistically, how does that go away?

It's not an apples-to-apples comparison if the quality of care and access to care is not the same or better.

We know some insurance industry profit and overhead would disappear.

Pharmaceutical prices might go down some if the government gets to negotiate block pricing, but without force or invalidation of patents, the big pharma companies don't have to agree.

Hospital costs might go down at government-owned/subsidized hospitals, but what of private hospitals? Overtaken or outlawed?

Will doctor salaries go down? If they do, will we get fewer numbers and/or lesser quality doctors? Can you force down doctor salaries, without government forcefully becoming the sole employer of doctors?

I've not heard the 1/4 quote anywhere, especially from anyone who doesn't advocate tighter rationing.

You are invited to elaborate.

What we pay in "merica, the no 1 country in the world accdg to Sean Hannity, are artificially and grossly inflated prices driven by the special interests groups be it pharma, insurance, AMA, etc.. and their lobbying stranglehold over the legislative process. The actual outcomes we produce in our "best medical system in the world" are well below socialist countries such as those in Scandinavia, etc.. so to your point..the cost you allude to are inflated and a testament to our corrupt system. The actual cost are a far different story.

Yeah, sure. The last lie was that Clown Care was going to save every American $2500/yr on their premiums.

Is there any lie that progs won't believe?

But, hey, let's put it through the test. Let's give single payer health care to whomever wants it. And those people have to pay for the whole shebang. Those who don't opt in, however, don't have to pay an extra penny in taxes, ever. I'd be all for that. As everyone know, I love to see progs suffer.

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I'd like to hear our compassionate Conservitards explain the huge difference in the price of pharmaceuticals here in the US for the same product in places like Canada, the U.K. and the Netherlands.

Poor tpap's getting screwed by inflated premiums, and like most teabaggers, don't even know it..

hate to answer to anything with tard in it, but i'd like to suggest its because the US allows R&D costs to be passed to the consumer so we end up paying for those countries R&D costs as well as our own.

Hmmm, I thought at least one of you progs were dumb enough to think my proposal was a great idea.

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Its good to know donald trump is on 2nd light under the alias tpunkablo

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I asked a question and located an answer.

Skatensurf was partially correct - and please accept my humble apologies if the pejarotive "Conservitard" was offensive - however, there is a bit more to the story.

One element that makes the cost of pharmaceuticals higher here is that US law prohibits Medicare and other health care concerns from using bulk purchasing power to lower costs.

It's nice to know that lawmakers are indeed looking out for the interests of a pharmaceutical company, but not a mom with cancer. Sad and sickening.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/...s-pays-more-for-drugs/

As usual, no specifics giving me reason to trust a new system will provide equivalent or better care at 1/4 the cost.

Informative links on how drugs get priced for the US market:

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And yes, when the Dems passed the ACA, why no change allowing block negotiation for drug prices?

Obviously this could have made a huge impact -- who knows, maybe even saving the average family $2500/year!

Next time we'll have to find out what's in it before we pass it. Thanks, NancyP.

You know that thing got through like a camel through the eye of a needle, right?

It's a fucking miracle anything at all happened.

I don't expect cheap shots from certain people...whatever.

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Eye of the needle is true, because they got zero bi-partisan support, which still tells me something was wrong with it. (Yes, it also tells me Congress in general and the Republican party in particular are beyond dysfunctional, but you can't blame 100% of the opposition on racism either, one of villageidiot's favorite rants.)

The only cheap shots here are aimed at Nancy Pelosi (c'mon, that one's a softball), and villageidiot, who remains true to form in throwing out a turd with no backup. Well, OK, those and Obama's promise of a $2500 average savings. I wouldn't harp on that if I hadn't discovered I'm so far from average...

Anyway, I more than acknowledge the healthcare system was broken before the ACA, and I assert that it remains broken almost as badly (and in some ways worse) than before.

If you can read the links I posted regarding drug pricing and not want to puke, your stomach is stronger than mine.

Much of the problem before ACA was overregulation, and now much of the problem is just different overregulation.

They really missed a lot of the low-hanging fruit, and could certainly have garnered a better chunk of bipartisan support (popular and legislative) by hitting those first (overregulation, state market boundaries, and negotiating prescription drug costs).

And I think we'd have seen more demonstrable reductions in cost by going that route, which may have convinced a few more people the government was capable of doing the right thing.

Because the ACA is a plan that the conservatives invented, and Obama was trying to come up with a bipartisan plan. I believe it was from the heritage foundation.


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In my household, natural medicine saves $$. Almost all drugs work by one of 2 mecanisms. They either bind to a receptor (for either activating or blocking that receptor), or they bind to an enzyme in your system to block it. There are many natural products that have the same effect as pharmaceuticals, but much much cheaper. Seek and ye shall find. The key is to know the proper dose. Some natural medicines can also be just as dangerous as prescribed drugs if used in the wrong dosages, so take note. Natural does not always mean safe, but with a little research you can find the info you need.

I pay almost 1700 a month for the opportunity to have someone stick their finger up my arse once a year.  How would our country fare if we were putting that money back into our economy instead of insurance company's pockets?