https://www.yahoo.com/politics/guns-congress-and-murphys-law-090049362.html

Read the comments, too.

Thoughts?

Connecticut university student arrested over mac and cheese

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I read it and it's interesting.  Not completely horrible.

I will refrain from offering substantive comment here.

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Not bad, and of course the sort of dancing around the edges stuff that we will have to do because we can't tackle the real problem (so many guns).

But this is a cop out:
"The truth, of course, is that these kinds of shootings have nothing to do with the firearms enthusiasts you find at gun shows,"

Of course he firearms enthusiasts you find at gun shows have something to do with it.
While they seldom commit the crimes, it is they that drive the demand, fuel the industry thus the existence of so many guns in America.


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i have to be honest, I can't tell if you are just trolling, or really actually think that.

I'm not sure you are trolling or just playing dumb by not seeing it as painfully obvious.

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So, by your train of logic, the fault lays with all of us who own guns?

 

I didn't say you were at fault.
I support our right to bear arms.
I think any serious erosion of that right is politically impossible.

I just stated that the correlation is obvious.
We have more gun crime because we have more guns.
We have more guns because of our culture of "gun enthusiasts"





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there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

My newest gun is a 20 year old 870.

Everything else I've got are hand-me-downs.

A couple are nearing the century mark in age.

All still work great.

People like me don't make the gun manufacturers much money.

People like me also don't create an environment that is flooded with guns that end up supplying a black market and crazy people.

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http://crimeresearch.org/2014/...ates-across-countries/

http://crimeresearch.org/ is of course a "conservative" thus "pro gun" site.

Israel and Switzerland may have very high gun possession rates, compared to the rest of the world, but still low compared to us, and since those rates are based on military service (and being at war in the case of Israel), I agree that those data points are off.

It looks from that graph like the US is at least a little below 3rd world levels of gun violence anyway. Hoorah for us!
Are there any developed countries that even come close, in terms of gun levels and violence levels?


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Edited: 10/08/2015 at 11:02 AM by WG

Well, I certainly can't deny that from a purely statistical standpoint, the more guns, the better the chances. However, the reality is, we will never get rid of guns, never. Even if we had a full on mandate to confiscate all guns, and made it illegal to even look at one, there will still be a black market. Again, look to the war on drugs as an example, all the money wasted, and all the non-violent criminals incarerated for it. Yet, the streets are still flooded with drugs. Out of curiousity, why would it be any different for guns?

Here is an interesting site of just facts:

https://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#crime

Objectively read it, digest it, and tell me if we society are better off with or without firearms. In other words, does the bad outweigh the good in them.

These two are a good snapshot of why there are so many "gun enthusiasts" who drive the demand:

A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]

 

• 34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"

• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they "knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun"

• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"[

 

• 83% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime.

 

•  52% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime more than once.[

83% of us, more than 8 out of 10 people, will be a victim or almost victim of a violent crime, and 4 of those people will have it happen to them more than once. Now, how many of those people are not able to physically defend themselves?

The reality is, Evil exists, it always has, and always will. Most of us carry as a means of insurance that we can protect against it. After all, statistically speaking, there is huge chance of that actually happeneing. The reality is,  I pray to God I never have to use mine, but take comfort in knowing I can defend my family against the "bogey man".

It's hard to compare any country to the US when it comes to this issue.  We are also culturally different from the European countries that have gun restrictions.  Even with high ownership rates they might have low firearm crime rates; it's hard to say.  I would say that Europeans still value people more than possessions which is something we need to learn.

So, getting to my point:  comparing us to undeveloped countries that are unstable, have rebels, widespread poverty, etc is not intellectually honest.  Sorry Joe, but you are going to have to do better than that.

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So....do you want to sell any of those?.....

I have no problem with you protecting yourself against "the bogey man".
Your right.

But I think that by owning and carrying a gun, you are making yourself and your family, and the rest of us less safe, not more.



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If I had to meet scombrid in person I would make sure I brought all my brains with me.  Just a thought.

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Exactly Wookie!!! Its a culture problem, not a gun problem. America has always had guns, high powered semi-automatics have been around for over 100 years, yet in the past 20yrs, we've seen an uptick in these tragidies. The fact that we have guns hasn't changed, its the culture that has changed, and has changed for the worse. The irony is, its labeled as "Progress"

 

it might help a little, but in reality - you have no chance against his brah-brainan jiu jitsu...continue,

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If I were smart I would avoid him so it's a forgone conclusion.

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Thats because you assume I am irresponsible about it. It never leaves my person when I carry, even sitting in the car. I am proficient with using it.  Its locked in a safe that can only be accessed by mine, or my wife's fingerprints, if its not on me. And I have made it a point to teach and re-teach my kids about the danger in them. I can assure you there are more gun owners like myself than there are not.