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Topic Title: Saudi Sunnis and their Isis corollaries Topic Summary: How do you criticize when you are all of the same things Created On: 06/30/2015 08:18 AM |
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06/30/2015 08:18 AM
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http://www.npr.org/sections/pa...t-shout-the-extremists
------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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07/01/2015 06:09 AM
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A new oxymoron: Tolerant Religion
------------------------- Ah, religion, bigotry dressed up as morality. |
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07/01/2015 06:20 AM
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The folks in the "Middle East" make the Irish look like First Grade.
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07/01/2015 07:26 AM
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The Islamic sectarian religious argument is older.
The Irish may have gotten over it by now. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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07/01/2015 08:29 AM
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ISIS/ISIL is a much bigger problem for Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, and UAE; even the Russians. I say we back off and let them clean up the radical Muslim mess.
------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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07/01/2015 08:31 AM
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ISIS/ISIL is a much bigger problem for Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, and UAE; even the Russians. I say we back off and let them clean up the radical Muslim mess. A-fricken-men to that! ------------------------- I was right. |
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07/01/2015 08:50 AM
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They won't.
------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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07/01/2015 09:57 AM
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I can't imagine why, it's almost as if some people who control the information were somehow profiting from the huge amounts of money spent on the war.
------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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07/01/2015 10:46 AM
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Wait till IS takes over or invades Bagdad and sets it's eyes on Iran, all hell will break lose then.
------------------------- Ah, religion, bigotry dressed up as morality. |
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07/01/2015 10:55 AM
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Its not just information control, its who buys arms from who. Our U.S. companies will continue to do very well. A billion here, a billion there and pretty soon you are talking real money. We sell hardware to Saudi Arabia. We sell hardware to Israel. We sell hardware to almost everyone in between. Putin, who is hemorrhaging money, wants to play lets make a deal with Syria and Iran.
If the Saudi's were to crush Isis, then what happens in the power vacuum afterward? The SHia will be there to farm their own theocracy from the corpse of Isis. That is not the solution the Saudi Sunni's would want. Seriously, how many oil rich princes see killing Sunni's as a good thing when there are literally no moderate Sunni's to pick up the pieces. Add to that the Shia militia's revenge killings that would undoubtedly occur once Isis is weakened. In the end, would the Saudi's want a Shia Iraq in league with Iran? ------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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07/01/2015 12:04 PM
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All those things may be true, but I think there are limits to how much we can or should spend to influence the outcome.
------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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07/02/2015 06:47 AM
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Especially since we already blew our wad on Iraq. ------------------------- Wiki wiki |
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07/02/2015 07:38 AM
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US reportedly blocks Arab allies' attempts to deliver weapons to Kurds fighting ISIS
Published July 02, 2015
The U.S. has reportedly blocked any attempts by Middle East allies to fly weapons to the Kurds fighting the Islamic State in Iraq. The Telegraph reports that U.S. allies say President Obama and other Western leaders, including Britain’s David Cameron, aren’t showing leadership over the escalating ISIS crisis in Iraq, Syria and throughout the Middle East. These allies are now willing to “go it alone” in giving heavy weaponry to the Kurds, even if it means defying Iraq and the U.S. who want all weapons to be funneled through Baghdad, according to the newspaper. High level officials from Gulf and other states have told The Telegraph that plans to persuade Obama to arm the Kurds directly have failed. The Senate voted down an amendment for the U.S. to bypass Baghdad and send weapons to the Kurdish fighters. The officials told the paper they are looking for ways to bypass U.S. permission to give the Kurdish fighters weapons. “If the Americans and the West are not prepared to do anything serious about defeating ISIL, then we will have to find new ways of dealing with the threat,” a senior Arab government official told The Telegraph. “With ISIL making ground all the time we simply cannot afford to wait for Washington to wake up to the enormity of the threat we face.” The Peshmerga have gotten support from the Kurds to drive the Islamic State back from Erbil. However, they are doing so with makeshift weapons. The Telegraph says weapons have been bought by a number of countries throughout Europe to aid the Kurds, but U.S. commanders are blocking the arms transfers. The Kurds also have said that the main part of their plight is that Iraqi forces have abandoned so many weapons in the face of ISIS’ attacks, they are now fighting American-made weaponry with Soviet-style equipment. The paper reports that at least one Arab nation is considering arming the Peshmerga without U.S. permission. Other Gulf nations have been visibly irritated by the lack of direction from the U.S. in the fight, according to the paper. Other members of the coalition have identified clear militant targets but then have been blocked by U.S. vetoes from engaging them. One Gulf leader went as far as saying, “there is simply no strategic approach.” As the U.S. and Britain mull whether to take the next step in the war against ISIS, the terror group continues to commits acts of savagery. A new report from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights revealed that more than 3,000 people have been killed at the hands of ISIS since its emergence last summer. ISIS has also ramped up his violence after calls for more attacks during Ramadan. On June 30, 11 workers from al-Miadin endured live crucifixion and were forced to wear signs saying "70 lashes and to be crucified for 1 day for breaking the fast in Ramadan." The Islamic State was also responsible for an attack on Egyptian army checkpoints that left at least 64 soldiers said, according to country officials.
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07/02/2015 09:22 AM
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If the U.S. did not give military aid to Iraq and instead gave military aid to the Kurdish minority, how long before the Kurds become the same threat to the new Iraqi government and its effort to unify the country? Also, you can't remind everyone of how the Iraqi forces wet their pants, flee and drop their weapons and still try to make efforts to fix it. We broke it, we bought it.
------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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07/02/2015 11:00 AM
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The Kurds seem like a better investment than the Iraqis to me. Sounds like we're stuck in local politics.
Once again, I say we pack up and leave. Yes, there will be a void, yes, someone will swoop in and there probably will be bloody war. As long as it's not mine or your son's blood, that is the business of the locals. We can cheer for one team or the other, and drop supplies or something. Middle east hunger games. May the odds be ever in your favor, bitches. ------------------------- “It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism “ - Michael Parenti |
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