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 04/23/2015 09:08 AM
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"The public debate around climate change is no longer about science - it's about values, culture, and ideology.

"Climate change has become enmeshed in the so-called culture wars," writes Andrew Hoffman. "Acceptance of the scientific consensus is now seen as an alignment with liberal views consistent with other 'cultural' issues that divide the country (abortion, gun control, health care, and evolution)."

There are plenty of hypotheses for why global warming has become so polarizing in the United States - more polarizing than it was in the early 1990s.

Some blame oil companies for sowing doubt about the science of climate change. Journalist Chris Mooney has suggested there may be something about conservatives' worldviews that makes them inherently inclined to distrust climate scientists. Yale's Anthony Leiserowitz has argued that Al Gore may have helped deepen the partisan split when he became its most high-profile champion in the 2000s.

Or here's another factor: psychologists have recently shown that people first think about potential solutions to global warming and then work backward to assess the problem itself. Climate advocates tend to argue that tackling global warming will require major government intervention: carbon pricing, clean energy support, public works for adaptation. But if the fix for global warming is lots of big government, then of course conservatives are going to be skeptical that it's an issue in need of urgent attention."

Obama's Catch-22 on climate change

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 04/23/2015 09:34 AM
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Over 20 years ago, an executive from Sweden told me that he thought that the next, major, world conflict would be environmental; with the developed nations of the North against the developing nations of the South.

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 04/23/2015 09:42 AM
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Those who are attached to delusions (religious dogma, trickle-down economics, privitization of everything, "I never use gov't services!", world goverment, birth certificates, racism and sexism, sexual orientation is a choice, ammo shortages, vapor trails, rebuking, jihad) don't like science and reason shaking their tree.



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 04/25/2015 04:15 AM
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Seatbelts.

There are people that are sufficiently anti-being-told-what-to-do that they balk at seat belt laws even if they already wear a seat belt.

It is an honest argument if they say that they understand the risks and don't care and should be free to assume the risks.

But there are many among them that will rationalize their decision by deciding that they are safer without a seatbelt. This is the "What if my car is burning up and I can't get out of the seatbelt" group. They bend their risk analysis to fit their prior conclusion that they can't be made to wear a seatbelt. They are completely wrong in their risk analysis but their post-hoc confirmation bias helps them remain confident in their worldview that the gubmint doesn't make sensible laws.

The big money think tanks have known this for decades and play to it whether they are trying to block sulfur emmission caps or sell people cigarettes and Doritos.



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 04/27/2015 01:02 PM
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They are completely wrong in their risk analysis>>

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That's the whole thing in a nutshell.>>

Obamas risk analysis lists climate change as the worse thing in the world. 1# danger, #1 threat>>

I disagree.>>

Climate change and a 2 to 3 inch level of water rise in the next century poses Very little risk...>>

Terrorism that destroys the economy. Higher risk, >>

Russian invasion of eastern Europe, higher risk, >>

Higher taxes that cause my job to disappear, higher risk,>>

Health care and health problems because I have a $12,000 deductable, VERY high risk.>>

My kids not being able to find jobs high risk.>>

An innocent kid getting shot by a cop,medium risk, people rioting and killing other kids because that happened, high risk.>>

Iran getting the bomb and using it on Israel, high risk, Israel bombing Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebenon and a bunch of other shit countries in retaliation, Fairly high risk...>>

A FAIR Risk analysis shows that Climate change doesn't even make the front page and definitely not the top ten in Risk. >>

Do the Math, apportion the money according to a FAIR risk analysis.and the Democrats are spending too much money on low risk BullShit...>>



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 04/27/2015 01:17 PM
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It is about science. It is also about economics, politics and a dozen other things. Science does not exist in a vacuum.



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 04/27/2015 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by: tpapablo It is about science. It is also about economics, politics and a dozen other things. Science does not exist in a vacuum.

 

In the 19th Century JJ Thompson showed science does exist in a vacuum. Wrong again Tpap!



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So we are now putting jobs ahead of survival of the planet. Yea baby!

It is obvious from the data that Climate Change is strickly a political football and opinions are not based on the facts at all.



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 04/27/2015 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by: daner So we are now putting jobs ahead of survival of the planet. Yea baby!

It is obvious from the data that Climate Change is strickly a political football and opinions are not based on the facts at all.

Survival of the planet is not at issue. We've had high water levels before and we're still here. All of florida has been underwater at various times in the earth's history. The planet is still here. And, if you are worried about mankind's survival, the best thing we could do to insure our survival is to warm the planet up. Eventually, we will suffer another ice age. That will wipe out billions of people. Best we be warmer when that starts.



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 04/27/2015 04:37 PM
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???? Man...that's the without doubt one of dumbest things you've posted.


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 04/28/2015 05:44 AM
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" 'Climate change has become enmeshed in the so-called culture wars,' writes Andrew Hoffman.

'Acceptance of the scientific consensus is now seen as an alignment with liberal views consistent

with other 'cultural' issues that divide the country

(abortion, gun control, health care, and evolution).' "

 

Evolution is a cultural rather than scientific consensus issue?



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Originally posted by: tpapablo
Originally posted by: daner So we are now putting jobs ahead of survival of the planet. Yea baby!

 

It is obvious from the data that Climate Change is strickly a political football and opinions are not based on the facts at all.

 

 

Survival of the planet is not at issue. We've had high water levels before and we're still here. All of florida has been underwater at various times in the earth's history. The planet is still here. And, if you are worried about mankind's survival, the best thing we could do to insure our survival is to warm the planet up. Eventually, we will suffer another ice age. That will wipe out billions of people. Best we be warmer when that starts.

 

YOu know what they say about playing with fire. Good luck with your approach.



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 04/28/2015 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by: daner
Originally posted by: tpapablo
Originally posted by: daner So we are now putting jobs ahead of survival of the planet. Yea baby!

 

It is obvious from the data that Climate Change is strickly a political football and opinions are not based on the facts at all.

 

 

Survival of the planet is not at issue. We've had high water levels before and we're still here. All of florida has been underwater at various times in the earth's history. The planet is still here. And, if you are worried about mankind's survival, the best thing we could do to insure our survival is to warm the planet up. Eventually, we will suffer another ice age. That will wipe out billions of people. Best we be warmer when that starts.

 

YOu know what they say about playing with fire. Good luck with your approach.

Thanks.



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 04/28/2015 07:23 AM
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I think what the fellas are trying to say here is that if the consequences of your behavior won't be catastrophic until after you're already dead, then why worry?



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Our kids?



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Climate change and a 2 to 3 inch level of water rise in the next century poses Very little risk...>>


There are other risks as well. Rapid climate changes force ecological imbalances, disrupting fisheries and agriculture, which indisputably presents economic and therefore security risks.

There is also potential for rapid and catastrophic changes due to positive feedback. 2-3 meters of sea level rise within our lifetime is within the realm of possibility, if land based ice sheets collapse and slide into the sea.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...abdc_story.html


South Florida is already facing a major economic problem, coastal flooding. Warming waters and rising seas does not result in uniform sea level rise across the globe.

Edited: 04/28/2015 at 07:59 AM by 3rdworldlover
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Originally posted by: tpapablo 

 

Survival of the planet is not at issue.

Correct.

We've had high water levels before and we're still here.

We?

All of florida has been underwater at various times in the earth's history. The planet is still here.

Pretty irrelevant when discussing Homo sapiens history on the planet.

And, if you are worried about mankind's survival, the best thing we could do to insure our survival is to warm the planet up. Eventually, we will suffer another ice age. That will wipe out billions of people. Best we be warmer when that starts.

But man kind is incapable of warming the planet and it's already getting colder. I saw James Inhofe throw a snowball this winter.

 

 



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"The earth will shake us off like fleas off a dog's back" I think Mr. Carlin said.

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