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 04/22/2015 12:02 PM
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WG

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To further the work of educating the public, and empowering people to communicate the realities of climate change, the Skeptical Science team has collaborated with The University of Queensland to develop a MOOC, Making Sense of Climate Science Denial. MOOC stands for Massive (we've already had thousands of students sign up from over 130 countries) Open (available for free to everyone) Online (web-based, no software required) Course.

The course examines the science of climate science denial. Why do a small but vocal minority reject the scientific evidence for climate change? What techniques do they use to cast doubt on the science? And we examine the all-important question - based on scientific research, how should we respond to science denial?

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Our MOOC starts next Tuesday, April 28. It's a free online course hosted by the not-for-profit edX (founded by Harvard University & MIT). It runs for 7 weeks, requiring 1 to 2 hours per week. You can enroll at http://edx.org/understanding-climate-denial.


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 04/22/2015 01:17 PM
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 04/22/2015 01:22 PM
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What is saying the same thing over and over a sign of?



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 04/22/2015 01:43 PM
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Global warming....hahahaha.

Right now, I am in the shade and there is a nice cool breeze blowing.
 04/22/2015 02:11 PM
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People, wake the frick up.

Climate change is a global conspiracy to make Al Gore rich.

Let me connect the dots for you block heads.

Numerous foreign countries have donated money to the Clinton foundation.

Therefore, the Clintons have significant influence over these countries, "global" influence.

Possibly enough to get them to fake climate statistics? (just sayin')

Who was VP when Clinton was president?

Al Gore.....Thank you.




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I hope you are being ironic.



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 04/22/2015 05:50 PM
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^^^^ Not ironic...just poking fun at wacky righty idiocy. Trying to paint people who agree with the science as cultists is the smear flavor of the month for them. Give it a week or so and they'll come up with something even more stupid.

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 04/23/2015 06:58 AM
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The cultists fight back, in a very predictable way. Good to see that some things don't change.



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 04/23/2015 07:06 AM
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Even in the face of overwhelming evidence, the "conservatives" stick to their delusions (or lies, I'm not really sure which of those camps your are really in).
Sad to see some things never change.


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 04/23/2015 11:47 AM
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Why can't the Chicken Littles of the world focus on campaigns that encourage citizens to do things that will help the environment in their day-to-day lives?

The reason people are skeptical is that every single possible solution to this problem, posed by the alarmists, stands to make certain people or groups billions of dollars off the backs of the American people. Whether the alarmists are suggesting legislation that makes power in our homes more expensive, makes it cost more to drive, or whether it involves controlling what kind of vehicle we drive, every solution the alarmists propose is aimed at taking control/money/power from one group and handing it to another.

THAT is why people are and should be skeptical of the legislation around global warming. I'm sure that many of the scientists involved mean well but we would be stupid to think that their aren't equally as many people looking at this as a power/money land grab and could care less about the science.

No knee jerk policy making needed.

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 04/23/2015 11:57 AM
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No knee jerk policy making needed.


By the time a teabag/repug woke up it would be too late.

I continue to be amazed at the people who post on this here 2L surf forum that claim to be surfers. I just dont see how you can be a surfer and not have some concern for the environment. Unless you are just a brainwashed media punk.


How many surfed Cali in the mid 60s? What was that like? How many surfed in the late 70s? What was that like? Anyone notice any difference? How about the Texas Gulf Coast some time frames? Even here in CLFA. It aint the same. If you dont see the signs and dont take action then watch when the ocean turns to poo, and the shoreline recedes.

Its a living breathing planet and we contribute to what fucks it up.

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Originally posted by: Sniper Why can't the Chicken Littles of the world focus on campaigns that encourage citizens to do things that will help the environment in their day-to-day lives?

Such as using less electricity or electricity from some source other than mercury and soot laden coal? Putting less fertilizer on their lawn? Driving more fuel efficient cars?

People just going to magically do that voluntarily with no garrantee that the other millions of people around them will reciprocate? Really?

People just go do the dealer and demand that their car have emission reduction devices right? The improvements in air quality all magically came from people voluntarily adding emission control devices to their cars and demanding low sulfur diesel for their highway trucks and autos.

And everybody is going to magically convert their lawns to native drought tolerate landscapes that don't require extra fertilizer and water in order to help restore the St. Johns River and IRL.



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Originally posted by: jdbman By the time a teabag/repug woke up it would be too late. I continue to be amazed at the people who post on this here 2L surf forum that claim to be surfers.

These were the same people that opposed catalytic converters on cars.

These were the same people that opposed cap and trade for sulfur.

These were the same people that opposed regulating CFCs.

These were the same people that screem bloody murder when they have to spend money to hook up to a municiple wastewater system.

These are the people that got Rick Scott to rescind the rule that would require people to get their septic tanks inspected on a regular basis.

Don't believe a word they say when they say they are for clean water and think that the "chicken littles" would not be opposed if they'd just make sensible solutions for voluntary means of environmental protection.



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 04/23/2015 12:52 PM
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theglide

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Scombrid, I have two magic words for you:

THE FREE MARKET.
 04/23/2015 01:13 PM
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Bullshit sniper.
Who exactly to you think is going to get rich from mitigating climate change?


The real reason some people are skeptical is that every single possible solution to this problem, as defined by the science means that we can not safely burn a lot more fossil fuels.

Certain people who "own" the carbon in the ground and are currently making billions of dollars off the backs of the American people, will make a lot less.

All of those oil, gas and coal rights are now are worth a lot less.

Some very rich people stand to be a lot less rich than they thought they were.

This fact is the one that matters, the one that fuels the denial movement.



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 04/23/2015 01:22 PM
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Dear Future Generations: Sorry

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there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill

Edited: 04/24/2015 at 07:31 AM by WG
 04/23/2015 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by: WG Dear Future Generations: Sorry

Can't open the link. Maybe you progs should start apologizing for the trillions of dollars in debt you are leaving to future generations. That is real even. (I'd add that we will eventually be so broke that environmental concerns will go out the window and that, in turn, will degrade the environment. Progs screw up everything they touch, as has bween well documented.)

I continue to be amazed at the people who post on this here 2L surf forum that claim to be surfers. I just dont see how you can be a surfer and not have some concern for the environment. Unless you are just a brainwashed media punk.

Not all surfers are Jeff Spicolis. Some of us have a working brain between the ears.



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Some of us have a working brain between the ears.



You think Dubya was a great president. That pretty much shoots the above all to hell.

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 04/24/2015 05:28 AM
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Originally posted by: scombrid
Originally posted by: Sniper Why can't the Chicken Littles of the world focus on campaigns that encourage citizens to do things that will help the environment in their day-to-day lives?
Such as using less electricity or electricity from some source other than mercury and soot laden coal? Putting less fertilizer on their lawn? Driving more fuel efficient cars? People just going to magically do that voluntarily with no garrantee that the other millions of people around them will reciprocate? Really? People just go do the dealer and demand that their car have emission reduction devices right? The improvements in air quality all magically came from people voluntarily adding emission control devices to their cars and demanding low sulfur diesel for their highway trucks and autos. And everybody is going to magically convert their lawns to native drought tolerate landscapes that don't require extra fertilizer and water in order to help restore the St. Johns River and IRL.


Nobody is going to convert their lawns to native drought tolerant landscapes because it looks like shit.

And yes, with the right kinds of campaigns and education people will change their behavior.

What you said above is like saying, "How are we ever going to get the majority of people to stop littering on the beach?!" Most people don't.

You guys should find a way to sell your ideas through education instead of forcing them on people.

Again, it is the money and power involved that makes people skeptical and nervous about the intentions of the pushers.

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Edited: 04/24/2015 at 05:34 AM by Sniper
 04/24/2015 05:33 AM
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Originally posted by: jdbman
No knee jerk policy making needed.
Its a living breathing planet and we contribute to what fucks it up.


So, in your opinion, humans are Earth's cancer and the best thing we can do for our planet is to all go kill ourselves?

I don't think humans are horrible.

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“End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden
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