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 04/22/2015 11:13 AM
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Matthew 18.15-17 - rebuke an unrepentant brother in sin, bring a witness, then bring it to the church if they refuse to listen and repent >>

15 'If your brother does something wrong, go and have it out with him alone, between your two selves. If he listens to you, you have won back your brother.>>

Do you do this as JESUS Commanded you? I Never got a PM saying that I was wrong, you went right out and called me FOOL on the public Forum, You DISOBEYED a COMMAND OF JESUS by calling me out on a public forum instead of going and having it out alone as JESUS COMMANDED.>>

16 If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you: whatever the misdemeanour, the evidence of two or three witnesses is required to sustain the charge.>>

17 But if he refuses to listen to these, report it to the community; and if he refuses to listen to the community, treat him like a gentile or a tax collector. >>

Earlier You cited ch23 v21-35 look at v2 +3>>

3 You must therefore do and observe what they tell you; but do not be guided by what they do, since they do not practice what they preach.>>

4 They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people's shoulders, but will they lift a finger to move them? Not they!>>

The COMMAND of JESUS according to this list that you put here is to task you brother by yourself then bring 2 or 3 witnesses then report it to the Community, then treat them like you would a tax collector>>

And yet you REBUKE those who do not follow your list of COMMANDS that JESUS gave you>>

BUT  HERE YOU ARE 28,900 posts to and you are still publically REBUKING people without talking to them first, without taking 2 or 3 witnesses... Yet you REBUKED me for not following his COMMANDS called me FOOL for not following his Commands. IT IS YOU who tie up heavy burdens and lay them on peoples shoulders but DO NOT FOLLOW THOSE SAME COMMANDS YOURSELF.

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Titus 3.10 - rebuke them, if they won't listen after warnings, have nothing to do with them
Titus 3:10 If someone disputes what you teach, then after a first and a second warning, have no more to do with him:>>

Earlier You cited ch23 v21-35:  look at v2 +3>>

3 You must therefore do and observe what they tell you; but do not be guided by what they do, since they do not practice what they preach.>>

4 They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people's shoulders, but will they lift a finger to move them? Not they!>>

The COMMAND of JESUS according to this list that you put here is That if they dispute what you teach and after a first and second warning HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM>>

And yet you REBUKE those who do not follow your list of COMMANDS that JESUS gave you>>

BUT  HERE YOU ARE 28,900 posts to and you are still publically REBUKING people without talking to them first, without taking 2 or 3 witnesses... Yet you REBUKED me for not following his COMMANDS called me FOOL for not following his Commands. IT IS YOU who tie up heavy burdens and lay them on peoples shoulders but DO NOT FOLLOW THOSE SAME COMMANDS YOURSELF

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 04/22/2015 11:23 AM
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Matthew 3.7, 7.15, 12.34, 23.21-35 - Jesus calls some vipers (snakes), beware of false prophets >>

3:7 Actually this was JOHN who called them vipers >>

Chapt 7 starts out with DO NOT JUDGE AND YOU WILL NOT BE JUDGED 2:because the judgements you give are the judgements you will get, and the standard you use will be the standard used for you.>>

3 Why do you observe the splinter in your brother's eye and never notice the great log in your own?>>

4 And how dare you say to your brother, "Let me take that splinter out of your eye," when, look, there is a great log in your own?>>

5 Hypocrite! Take the log out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother's eye>>

And then you quote vs 15 out of context: here is the full context:>>

15 'Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves.>>

16 You will be able to tell them by their fruits. Can people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?>>

17 In the same way, a sound tree produces good fruit but a rotten tree bad fruit.>>

18 A sound tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a rotten tree bear good fruit.>>

Again you Cherry pick you cite 12:34>>

34 You brood of vipers,  But you leave out the rest of the verse and what happens to vipers>>

how can your speech be good when you are evil? For words flow out of what fills the heart.>>

35 Good people draw good things from their store of goodness; bad people draw bad things from their store of badness.>>

36 So I tell you this, that for every unfounded word people utter they will answer on Judgement Day,>>

Not just the word FOOL but Every Unfounded word people will answer on judgement day. >>



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Yo...moron...(that's right I am talking to you: somebodyelse) ever read this?:

Titus 1:
10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach - and that for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of Crete's own prophets has said it: "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons."[c] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good

Didn't think so!

Fool!


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Didn't read this one either...idiot!

Preach the Word
1I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,...

You're as dumb as a box of rocks!

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 04/22/2015 04:22 PM
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"Actually this was JOHN who called them vipers "somebodyelseotherthanachristian

And then lets not forget this so that you can't claim (as you have^^^above^^^) that areas of Scripture were just written by a man:

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness..

FOOL!


And lets get another thing straight....this is all Jesus speaking. Do notice MORON, that he didn't talk to them first' as yoyu claim a person must before rebuking them! Also notice that Jesus didn't talk to the money changers first before he whipped the CRAP out of them and over turned their tables in his Fathers House! Did you ever wonder why exactly? Nope not you...cause you're an IDIOT!:

Matthew 23
A Warning Against Hypocrisy

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5"Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteriesa wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called 'Rabbi' by others.

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Seven Woes on the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14]b

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices - mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law - justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.















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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/22/2015 at 09:14 PM by Fish Killer
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There we have it.....three areas of Scripture written by God that totally trash your entire scenario and rebuke you 100%

Most of what you posted above refers to INSIDE the church...not outside.

Jesus rebuked Pharisees, Sadusees, Teachers of the Law and False Teachers that weren't Christians and weren't inside the church!

That includes the likes of you!

Moron!

You do realize that a Pharisee is not a Christian or 'brother' (in Christ) right?!?!

Nope not you!

Consider yourself REBUKED again...False Teacher!

Done!

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/22/2015 at 09:27 PM by Fish Killer
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FeckNut....You have no idea how idiotic you appear do you? Go see a doctor or something.

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 04/22/2015 07:29 PM
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Yo...idiot...had you noticed that the article he was attempting to discredit was written by a pastor that rebukes both inside the church and outside, then you might have seen the error of his way.
No...you aren't that smart!
What is delt with on this forum is OUTSIDE the church.
Things inside are delt with DIFFERENTLY than outside!
MORON!
Go back to playing the fool!
Your good at that.


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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.

Edited: 04/22/2015 at 09:15 PM by Fish Killer
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You make as much sense as the babbling fool.

Get over yourself.

Go stand on a street corner scaring little women & children. It would be a better use of your time.
 04/23/2015 04:36 AM
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You wrote a list of COMMANDS, you said everyone is bound by these COMMANDS>>

You then cited the following verses as evidence of your righteousness:>>

Titus 1:
10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach - and that for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of Crete's own prophets has said it: "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons."[c] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good >>

Yes I read that verse.YOU are the man Paul is talking about YOU claim to be righteous and justify your actions with THIS VERSE... THIS VERSE IS TALKING ABOUT YOU.. you are full of meaningless talk and deception. YOU Cite HUMAN COMMANDS and reject the TRUTH Because you are corrupt you believe that all here are corrupt and that nothing is pure. YOU... YOU are the man who claims to know GOD but by your actions DENY HIM. You are the detestable man Disobedient to the very commands THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT AS A BUDEN ON THE REST OF US.>>

TRULY this was spoken about you:>>

3 You must therefore do and observe what they tell you; but do not be guided by what they do, since they do not practice what they preach referrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"> ath o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"> >>>ath>

4 They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people's shoulders, but will they lift a finger to move them? Not they!<o >>>

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You wrote a list of COMMANDS, you said everyone is bound by these COMMANDS>>

You then cited the following verses as evidence of your righteousness:>>

Matthew 23
A Warning Against Hypocrisy

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. >>

JESUS is referring to YOU here You are the man who lays the buden of COMMANDS on everyone and as I've shown you exempt yourself from obeying the very COMMANDS you lay on everyone else

5"Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteriesa wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called 'Rabbi' by others.

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
You are the Man about who this is written, You exault yourself and claim knowledge of GOD, YOU list COMMANDs given by GOD and lord it over all that YOU FOLLOW those COMMANDS Righteously then you excuse your actions  quibbling about inside the church or outside.
Seven Woes on the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14]b >>

This is YOU. YOU shut the Door by claiming that None here but YOU are following the COMMANDs of GOD so they are not going into Heaven BUT ALSO YOU DON"T FOLLOW THE VERY COMMANDS YOU CITE. YOU ARE WHO JESUS IS TALKING ABOUT.

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. >>

You again. You make 28,900 posts , have yet to make a convert and you would convert them to a list of Odius COMMANDS. >>

WHAT IS THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT??? LOVE GOD with your whole heart and soul AND LOVE YOUR NIEGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it. >>

YOU ignore the Spirit of GOD and swear by the COMMANDS that you have cherry picked out of the Bible.>>

The Spirit of GOD is what is sacred, you have made the COMMANDs and the Bible Sacred. Which is greater the Spirit of GOD or the Bible and you interpretations of its COMMANDS?

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices - mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law - justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. >>

DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT YOU CITED?? The More important matter of the law is NOT YOUR COMMANDS but they are Justice, Mercy and Faithfulneess.YOU stick to the letter of the COMMANDS you claim we are bound by and have lost justice, and MERCY

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. >>

The LAW, the COMMANDMENT are all about cleaning the outside of the cup. YOU ARE THESE Pharisees, you are all about the Obedience to the COMMANDs. Clean your inside, purify your spirit and the outside is clean also. IF YOU PURIFY yourself then the LAWS, the COMMANDS are fulfilled also.

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. >>

This is you, you stand on your righteousness and stand on the COMMANDS that you believe GOD laid on everyone BUT you are full of Hypocrisy not obeying the very COMMANDS you lay on everyone else.

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started! >>

YOU SAY these are the COMMANDS that GOD LAID ON US. Just as the Pharisees said this is the LAW of MOSES. You are saying exactly what the Pharisees said to the people of their day. THIS IS THE LAW... THESE ARE THE COMMANDS OF GOD... you are the SAME

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation. >>

TRULY this was spoken about you Fish Killer:>>

3 You must therefore do and observe what they tell you; but do not be guided by what they do, since they do not practice what they preach referrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"> ath o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"> >>>ath>

4 They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on people's shoulders, but will they lift a finger to move them? Not they!<>>



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"My brand of Christian is better than your brand of Christian"?

Whats the diff?

Sunni v. Sheia ?

Morons
Fools
rebuked


oh my.........

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Yo...idiot...had you noticed that the article he was attempting to discredit was written by a pastor that rebukes both inside the church and outside, then you might have seen the error of his way.
No...you aren't that smart!
What is delt with on this forum is OUTSIDE the church.
Things inside are delt with DIFFERENTLY than outside!
MORON!
Go back to playing the fool!
Your good at that.

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The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED.
-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
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