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 08/26/2014 06:20 AM
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Does opposing Obamacare hurt you or help you if you're a Republican governor? To find out, Sam Wang took a look at nine Republican governors who were first elected in 2010 and are now running for reelection. The chart on the right tells the story. Governors who have resisted Medicaid expansion - a key part of Obamacare, and the one that most directly affects individual states - are generally doing poorly. Those who accepted Medicaid expansion are polling pretty well.

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In other words, refusing the Medicaid expansion is the mark of a true-believing wingnut, and that's not such a great place to be right now. Conversely, accepting the Medicaid expansion is the mark of a pragmatic conservative, and those folks have remained relatively popular."

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Edited: 08/26/2014 at 06:34 AM by WG
 08/26/2014 06:40 AM
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So in your opinion; it is sound policy to borrow money from China to pay for Healthcare to give the money to states for a couple of years, chaining them to the remaining ad infinitum payments once obama backs out? Most states cannot support that cost and they know it, the ones who accepted it were banking on short term memory of ill informed voters.

 08/26/2014 07:01 AM
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Greensleeves

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Is that why those states turned down the medicaid expansion money and used the fed site instead of establishing their own?   Are those states turning down the other piles of money they get from the feds or are those dollars from China OK?

 08/26/2014 07:03 AM
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, the ones who accepted it were banking on short term memory of ill informed voters.

Last time I heard a number, it was %47 of voters are short term memory and ill informed...

So all it takes is a slick lie and a complicent media and you're in like flint...



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 08/26/2014 07:32 AM
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Greensleeves

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Is that how Rick Scott won?

 08/26/2014 07:55 AM
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It looks like Scott will be re-elected, and the Florida legislature won't discuss Medicaid expansion, again.  State Sen. Joe Negron, who hopes to be Senate president next year, sent a pile of giant postcards for the primary emphasizing that he opposes abortion, opposes the passenger rail project, favors gun rights...and not a word about Medicaid.  It's like Fight Club.  You don't talk about it.  

 08/26/2014 08:31 AM
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People hate Clown Care. Based on those races that I follow, this would do nothing to hurt.



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 08/26/2014 08:46 AM
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"People hate clown care." That is exactly what the working are thinking when they go to the Hospital emergency room because they have no primary care physician. The people just love paying more of their money because they cannot afford insurance. You are in touch, man. You are the voice of the working poor trying to spend more of their money. As for borrowing money from China, you should have the same reluctance when it comes to foreign wars, preemptive wars based upon neocon mythology and the ever increasing power of the military industrial complex. Otherwise, your tunnel vision just makes you blinded by your zeal.

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 08/26/2014 10:36 AM
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I believe it is more correctly stated; "People denied their liberty and forced to pay out under ACA hate it, while those receiving ACA for little or no cost at the expense of those forced to pay for it, love it." 

The first question is how many voters are in each of those categories?  Conservative pols are betting on the former.  Progressive pols on the latter.  It really is as simple as that.  Always has been.  These pols don't really care about us or ACA.  They only care about getting into or retaining office.

The last, and really the only question that matters is, if the latter are the majority, how long can the ACA be sustained?  In fact, how long can any social program where the receivers out number the providers be sustained?

Here's an applicable analogy to consider that think Obama might relate to.  You have a championship sled dog team, they are very fast when they are all working in the proper order togther as a team. Nothing can catch you and your team is on top of their game.

But then one day far from home, in order to gain the additional loyalty of your favorite dog, you take him out of his harness and let him ride in the sled with you.  This means the remaining team has to only work a little harder and the sled slows only slightly.

After a while you see the lead dog is showing discontent, so you unharness him and let him ride with you too.  By doing so you're regained his loyalty, but now the remaing team won't hardly pull at all and have lost all motivation.

Becasue its cold and dark and you're a long way from home you harness back up both your lead and favorite dogs.  Stangly enough they won't pull anymore either because they feel they're now entitled to free ride. 

Now you're stuck in the wilderness with no food, hungery discontent dogs and wolves closing in.  How are you going to recover the team?  Bad time to realize there are more wolves out there than you thought too isn't it?

 08/26/2014 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Zeus I believe it is more correctly stated; "People denied their liberty and forced to pay out under ACA hate it, while those receiving ACA for little or no cost at the expense of those forced to pay for it, love it." 

 

The first question is how many voters are in each of those categories?  Conservative pols are betting on the former.  Progressive pols on the latter.  It really is as simple as that.  Always has been.  These pols don't really care about us or ACA.  They only care about getting into or retaining office.

 

The last, and really the only question that matters is, if the latter are the majority, how long can the ACA be sustained?  In fact, how long can any social program where the receivers out number the providers be sustained?

 

Here's an applicable analogy to consider that think Obama might relate to.  You have a championship sled dog team, they are very fast when they are all working in the proper order togther as a team. Nothing can catch you and your team is on top of their game.

 

But then one day far from home, in order to gain the additional loyalty of your favorite dog, you take him out of his harness and let him ride in the sled with you.  This means the remaining team has to only work a little harder and the sled slows only slightly.

 

After a while you see the lead dog is showing discontent, so you unharness him and let him ride with you too.  By doing so you're regained his loyalty, but now the remaing team won't hardly pull at all and have lost all motivation.

 

Becasue its cold and dark and you're a long way from home you harness back up both your lead and favorite dogs.  Stangly enough they won't pull anymore either because they feel they're now entitled to free ride. 

 

Now you're stuck in the wilderness with no food, hungery discontent dogs and wolves closing in.  How are you going to recover the team?  Bad time to realize there are more wolves out there than you thought too isn't it?

Do you think having to obtain car insurance to drive is being denied your liberty? Most people must drive yet we require them to purchase a driver's license, car registration and car insurance. Do you feel that is unfair?

How about driving by the speed limit? Shouldn't you be able to do whatever speed you wish? Limits on your freedom are just so bloody frustrating. Tsk, Tsk

 



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 08/26/2014 11:11 AM
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tpapablo

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Originally posted by: johnnyboy "People hate clown care." That is exactly what the working are thinking when they go to the Hospital emergency room because they have no primary care physician. The people just love paying more of their money because they cannot afford insurance. You are in touch, man. You are the voice of the working poor trying to spend more of their money. As for borrowing money from China, you should have the same reluctance when it comes to foreign wars, preemptive wars based upon neocon mythology and the ever increasing power of the military industrial complex. Otherwise, your tunnel vision just makes you blinded by your zeal.

I am not so blinded that I can't read the polls. People hate it. And they will hate it still more as more of it takes effect.



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 08/26/2014 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by: daner Do you think having to obtain car insurance to drive is being denied your liberty? Most people must drive yet we require them to purchase a driver's license, car registration and car insurance. Do you feel that is unfair?

How about driving by the speed limit? Shouldn't you be able to do whatever speed you wish? Limits on your freedom are just so bloody frustrating. Tsk, Tsk

 

You choose to drive, therefore you must have car insurance (in this case its protection for the guy you hit, not yourself) and adhere to the rules of the road

Big difference than being forced to purchase something, simply because you are a citizen.

Do you not see the difference? Can anyone on here say there health insurance has gotten more "affordable?" Seriously, who on here now pays less, and gets the same amount of coverage? Personally, I now pay more premium, more deductibles, for less and its about to get worse.

Do you progtards really think the Government is out for our best interest, and not the insurance companies that are pulling their strings? Who on here can actually say they trust the government. Or do you only trust it if its run by your party?



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 08/26/2014 01:02 PM
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Do you not see the difference?

Nah, he's a prog.



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 08/28/2014 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by: OBX

Originally posted by: daner Do you think having to obtain car insurance to drive is being denied your liberty? Most people must drive yet we require them to purchase a driver's license, car registration and car insurance. Do you feel that is unfair?




How about driving by the speed limit? Shouldn't you be able to do whatever speed you wish? Limits on your freedom are just so bloody frustrating. Tsk, Tsk




 







You choose to drive, therefore you must have car insurance (in this case its protection for the guy you hit, not yourself) and adhere to the rules of the road




Big difference than being forced to purchase something, simply because you are a citizen.




Do you not see the difference? Can anyone on here say there health insurance has gotten more "affordable?" Seriously, who on here now pays less, and gets the same amount of coverage? Personally, I now pay more premium, more deductibles, for less and its about to get worse.




Do you progtards really think the Government is out for our best interest, and not the insurance companies that are pulling their strings? Who on here can actually say they trust the government. Or do you only trust it if its run by your party?



Actually, costs increases have slowed. Premiums increased at 10% annually during the Bush years, it's been less than half of that under Obama.

Take away the states who refused Medicaid expansion and the numbers get even better.



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 08/28/2014 07:33 AM
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tpapablo

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If it is so great, why does everyone hate it? Because we are all stupid, I suppose. - that's is certainly what the progs think of most Americans.



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 08/28/2014 07:59 AM
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^^^^ Just conservos are stupid. You people just blindly engorge yourselves on the pablum conservo media feeds you.

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 08/28/2014 08:22 AM
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Well then, conservos make up the majority of Americans and you'll just have to live with our "blind" judgment when we finally get rid of these jackasses who refuse to carry out our will. The majority of Americans also wish to take care of progs ISIS style. So you progs better start high-tailing it out of here.



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 08/28/2014 08:41 AM
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And the coleslaw data came from where??

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 08/28/2014 07:30 PM
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GOP Governor In Tough Re-election Bid Prepares To Implement Obamacare

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 08/28/2014 07:34 PM
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LBLarry

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Wonder what % of rightwingers on here that rail against the ACA voted for Willard? ...... you know, the guy that pushed through RomneyCare

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