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Of 10 highest IQ's on earth, at least 8 are Theists, at least 6 are Christians

 

 

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Abdessellem Jelloul's confirmation that he's a Theist.Steve J. Williams

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Have you ever heard the claim "all smart people are atheists", or maybe its inverse: "people who believe in God are dumb"? It's quite a pervasive urban legend, and one which I've known is false for a long time, but I didn't realize just how false until the other day. I recently decided to do a quick cataloging of the ten highest IQ's on earth, and discovered that it's nearly the exact opposite of the truth!

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Before reading the list, however, I want to remind you of the caveat that IQ test results are not in any sense the measure of a person's worth. They tend to favor folks who are good at hard "knowledge" things like mathematics and chess, and I think we all know very valuable people who are good at none of these. Moreover, I think the attribute of "wisdom" (valuing attributes like ethics and foresight) is a far better measure of whether or not a person will be happy. I'm not aware of any standardized test for measuring wisdom, however.

Another important point is that there are competing ideas on which tests most accurately measure intelligence. Not everyone takes the same IQ test, and there are enough claims, counterclaims, and disputes in this subject to drive a researcher bananas! All I could do was read everything I could find on it, and rank the candidates based both upon their scores and on who seemed to be the most unanimously agreed upon as worthy (ignoring many "fan clubs" along the way).

An additional challenge I had to grapple with is that minors' scores are adjusted upwards to compensate for their age. The younger they are, the higher the relative adjustment. In surveying evidence for this article, I noticed a tendency for the adjusted scores to be less and less believable (too high!) the younger the subject is. This is obviously a very imperfect scoring system, so in the list below, I "weighted" the scores achieved as adults a bit higher than those achieved at younger ages, and those achieved at the very youngest ages as the most dubious.

That being said, with the noble goal of shattering a "stronghold" of low-information thinking, let the comparisons begin:

Andrew Magdy Kamal - apparently the highest IQ ever recorded, at 231.734. This was accomplished last year (2013) just before he turned 17. This includes an adjustment made for his age (which is done routinely for minors), so only time will tell if he maintains his position, but he is listed in Record Holder's Republic for Highest IQ and Highest IQ average, and it looks pretty good. He is a he is a staunch conservative and a member of the Republican Tea Party. He is also the founder of the Coptic Orthodox Messianicans Group. Andrew Magdy Kamal hopes to use his talents and intelligence to spread the news of Messiah Yeshua (Jesus Christ) his hero, and he lives in Michigan.

Abdessellam Jelloul - apparently the highest IQ ever scored by an adult in the "advanced IQ test" was by Jelloul, who scored an adult IQ of 198. This was in a 2012 test which included 13 dimensions of intelligence (analytical, spatial, logical, memory, musical, linguistic, philosophical, moral, spiritual, interpersonal, intra-personal, bodily and naturalist). Unlike other tests, the advanced IQ test includes more measures that other tests cannot assess. I tweeted Mr. Jelloul a question about his beliefs in September of last year, and he graciously replied to me that he does "believe in God, a Supreme Architect of the universe" (see a screenshot of this tweet in the slideshow).

Christopher Michael Langan - has a verified IQ of at least 195. Langan achieved a perfect score on the SAT, but dropped out of Montana State University after concluding his professors weren't qualified to teach him anything. ABC's 20/20 measured his IQ (as an adult) to be between 195 and 210. Langan has indicated in his writings numerous that he believes in God, for example, in William Dembski's book "Uncommon Dissent", he wrote: "...since Biblical accounts of the genesis of our world and species are true but metaphorical, our task is to correctly decipher the metaphor in light of scientific evidence also given to us by God".

Terence Tao - his IQ was estimated to be between 220 and 230 by the Davidson Institute when he was about ten years old. At eight years old, Tao achieved a score of 760 on the pre-1995 SAT, received a Ph.D from Princeton at 20 and at 24 became the youngest ever full professor at UCLA. I couldn't find anything about Tao's metaphysical views. He's obviously a tremendous mathematician, but doesn't seem to post much outside of mathematics.

Christopher Hirata - has a verified IQ of 225, calculated when he was in his teens. Hirata skipped middle school, and at 16 was working with NASA on a project exploring the possibility of colonizing Mars. The Daily Princetonian, Princeton's student paper, where Hirata began attending for his PhD in Astrophysics at 18, reported that his IQ is around 225. Hirata posted the following to his Facebook on October 31, 2013: "Today's experience: saying the Lord's prayer with a homeless couple on Colorado Boulevard. It may not feed or shelter them, but I hope that it made a difference in their lives." So he is clearly both a Theist and a Christian.

Evangelos Katsioulis - has apparently scored a 198 as an adult. Katsioulis is a Greek Doctor/Psychiatrist/Philosopher who has publicly referred to his belief in human souls several times. For example, he did a lecture in 2008 called "BODY AND SOUL", and made clear that he wasn't speaking metaphorically in it with lines like: "The soul is not the body. It is not the flesh. It is the spirit." He is apparently a follower of a strand of Christianity influenced by Teilhard de Chardin.

Rick Rosner - has apparently scored a 192 as an adult, after years of honing his IQ test-taking skills. Has been a writer for the Jimmy Kimmel Show, and appeared on "So You Want to be A Millionaire". Rosner denied that he was an atheist on Twitter, after an inquiry. He also retweeted this Einstein quote: "God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically" and in answer to the question "You know there's a God?" he answered "Maybe. Suspect there's an infinity of gods".

Mislav Predavec - has apparently scored a 192 as an adult. [Update - I initially had the wrong quote linked here]. His Christianity can easily be confirmed by a beautiful response he wrote to a friend who had become a Christian in one of the groups he belongs to and which was posted online:

"David, I am so glad hearing good news about your convalescence, and more about your enlightenment, you are aware now that your suffer and pain, your giftedness and sense are a part of plan. Truly, all this can´t exist without being leading it intentionally. Atheistic explanation that everything is accidental progress is full of holes. Stay well my friend.

Mislav"

Gary Kasparov - is alleged to have an IQ of 190. He was perhaps the most universally attested-to as a top-shelf intellect, so it was unthinkable to leave him off of this list. In 2003 Kasparov played to a draw against a chess computer that could calculate three million positions per second. He is considered by many to be the greatest chess player of all time. Kasparov has described himself as a "self-appointed Christian"

Kenneth Ferrell - has apparently scored a 190 as an adult. If I have located the right Kenneth Ferrell online, it's abundantly clear from his own words that he's a Christian. Since I'm not sure, I didn't include him in my count of believers.

So you can see that the brightest of the bright have not foreclosed on the possibility of the existence of an Intelligent Designer. Juxtaposed with the fact that most Scientists are not atheists, I'd say that the Appeal to Authority on which atheist debators have long relied has dissolved.



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 07/24/2014 12:13 PM
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You do know that Muslims believe in God.



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Actually they believed in many gods until muhammed forced them to believe in the Moon god. A deeper look reveals that they are works based entrance to paradise upon the whim of allah who still to this day changes his mind on things. Back in 2000 while in Saudi Arabia; the mullahs commanded that muhammad via allah did not require those in cars to pray during the 5 posted prayer times. Well guess what from that day on 15 minutes before prayer time, the streets filled with cars. So if muhammed is dead and allah is a moon god; how did he or they know about cars?

 07/24/2014 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by: cheaterfiveo

Actually they believed in many gods until muhammed forced them to believe in the Moon god. A deeper look reveals that they are works based entrance to paradise upon the whim of allah who still to this day changes his mind on things. Back in 2000 while in Saudi Arabia; the mullahs commanded that muhammad via allah did not require those in cars to pray during the 5 posted prayer times. Well guess what from that day on 15 minutes before prayer time, the streets filled with cars. So if muhammed is dead and allah is a moon god; how did he or they know about cars?




Um, where did you pick up this batshit crazy version of Islam?

Muslims worship the God of Abraham.

6:84. We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good:
6:85. And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous:
6:86. And Isma'il and Elisha, and Jonas, and Lot: and to all We gave favour above the nations:
6:87. (To them) and to their fathers, and progeny and brethren: We chose them, and we guided them to a straight way.
6:88. This is the guidance of Allah. He giveth that guidance to whom He pleaseth, of His worshippers. If they were to join other gods with Him, all that they did would be vain for them.
6:89. These were the men to whom We gave the Book, and authority, and prophethood: if these (their descendants) reject them, Behold! We shall entrust their charge to a new people who reject them not.


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 07/24/2014 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by: all3 You do know that Muslims believe in God.

 

Guess you missed this part...you should have read the whole sentance instead of stopping in the middle.

"at least 6 are Christians"



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If Muslims believe in "the one trueGod" and Christians believe in the "One true God" and Jews believe in the "one true God". Well there can only be one "one true God" so they are all the same God. The only difference is how mortals have interpreted what God wants.



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Originally posted by: all3 If Muslims believe in "the one trueGod" and Christians believe in the "One true God" and Jews believe in the "one true God". Well there can only be one "one true God" so they are all the same God. The only difference is how mortals have interpreted what God wants.

 

Well beings that the 6 of 10 smartest people on earth are Christians it goes without saying that the other two religions don't have a God that is the same as Christians...and that they are wrong with whatever they are justifying morally.



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The top ten are men, hmm.  That's odd don't you think?

 

You Tea Partiers ever think of running a smart person for office?  Or employing one on the crack Faux "news" staff?

 07/25/2014 04:31 AM
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It seems the FK'er has a facination with people's IQ and homosexuality.

Hmmm....    Yep, that makes sense. 



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Originally posted by: Greensleeves

The top ten are men, hmm.  That's odd don't you think?


So which female do you propose has a high enough IQ to be included?

We all will be waiting with baited BIG breath!

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It's not that oh round and addled one.  It's indicitive that IQ tests are not given to everyone, skewed, not a real measure of walking around sense...

Pick any one of those.   

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Originally posted by: Greensleeves

It's not that oh round and addled one.  It's indicitive that IQ tests are not given to everyone, skewed, not a real measure of walking around sense...




Pick any one of those.   



I can see that you in fact didn't read the first paragraph.

Yes...you know whats coming next:

MORON!

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So your statement about the 6 of 10 smartest people on earth being christians is complete horse $hit.

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Originally posted by: Greensleeves

So your statement about the 6 of 10 smartest people on earth being christians is complete horse $hit.



Prove it!

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I'm pretty "smart" and I do not believe in magic.

When I was 21 I scored 138. But, "they" thought that I had "cheated", so I had to re-test. Scored 140, and really pissed "them" off.

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Originally posted by: dingpatch

I'm pretty "smart" and I do not believe in magic.



When I was 21 I scored 138. But, "they" thought that I had "cheated", so I had to re-test. Scored 140, and really pissed "them" off.


When you score somewhere in the 190's let me know.



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I think he's just referring to the fact that people that believe in God are frequently stereotyped as being a bit dumb (in many western countries). 

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The smartest man I have ever known is highly religious.

I'm not sure faith has much to do with level intelligence.

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Originally posted by: Cole

I'm not sure faith has much to do with level intelligence.


Liar!



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