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WG

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"Ladies and gentlemen, I am to talk to you about energy in the future. I will start by telling you why I believe that the energy resources of the past must be supplemented. First of all, these energy resources will run short as we use more and more of the fossil fuels. But I would [...] like to mention another reason why we probably have to look for additional fuel supplies. And this, strangely, is the question of contaminating the atmosphere. [....] Whenever you burn conventional fuel, you create carbon dioxide. [....] The carbon dioxide is invisible, it is transparent, you can't smell it, it is not dangerous to health, so why should one worry about it?

Carbon dioxide has a strange property. It transmits visible light but it absorbs the infrared radiation which is emitted from the earth. Its presence in the atmosphere causes a greenhouse effect [....] It has been calculated that a temperature rise corresponding to a 10 per cent increase in carbon dioxide will be sufficient to melt the icecap and submerge New York. All the coastal cities would be covered, and since a considerable percentage of the human race lives in coastal regions, I think that this chemical contamination is more serious than most people tend to believe."

Dr Edward Teller ,1959, speaking to the American Petroleum Institute.

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 01/01/2018 09:55 AM
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Fish Killer

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Political.

If I can't post it neither can you!

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 01/01/2018 10:35 AM
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Politics has nothing to do with intelligent people in this day and age. Teller wasn't a sage or clairvoyant in any way, he was simply stating a fact that science can prove. It's a shame more of us didn't pay attention to him.

China, India and the EU are pushing toward all electric vehicles in the next decade and a half, so there is hope for our climate and environment. . . . even if it isn't coming from the United States.

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 01/01/2018 10:44 AM
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It is not political. Nor was it in 1959. You have labeled it political to attack not as a fact but as a political fact that feels more like an opinion that should be given the equal respect with differing opinions. It's a lie you sell. The NSR called you out on this and you pitched a fit and behaved badly as if disrespect, foul language and personal attacks were reasonable as your defense, but still using these tools as your offense. Happy new year and go forth and sin like this no more.

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 01/01/2018 10:51 AM
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WG

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So don't politicize it.

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Cole

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What happens to oil if all the other major powers have switched to electric, solar, wind and natural gas?

Will it even be worth pulling it out of the ground?

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 01/01/2018 12:22 PM
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Fish Killer

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yep...POLITICAL!

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-BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is.
-They are both card carrying narcissists.
^These are PROVED facts.
 01/01/2018 01:22 PM
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It is political, only because the right has made it a policy at the behest of the oil industry via bribes, I mean campaign contributions and lobbying, to turn science into politics.
 01/01/2018 04:10 PM
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 01/01/2018 06:19 PM
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scombrid

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Originally posted by: WG Carbon dioxide has a strange property. It transmits visible light but it absorbs the infrared radiation which is emitted from the earth.

 



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 01/02/2018 04:15 PM
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ww

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Edward Teller had views on nuclear weapons and national security, some of them quite political.  

At the time he did his talk, I suspect experts expected petroleum supplies to run out before climate change became much of a problem, so there would have been concern over maintaining adequate petroleum feedstocks for important products like plastics.  As it turned out, petroleum and natural gas recovery methods improved unexpectedly.  No one would have forecast Texas to be producing so much of both right now.  

 01/03/2018 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Fish Killer If I can't post it neither can you!

 

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