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dingpatch

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You have got to be kidding me!

Should extreme Orthodox Jewish circumcision be illegal?
By The Week's Editorial Staff | The Week - Fri, Jun 8, 2012

New York City is warning parents about a herpes-spreading, mouth-to-genitals circumcision ritual called metzitzah b'peh that has killed two babies
In March, New York City confirmed that a second baby in 11 years had died of herpes contracted through an Orthodox Jewish circumcision ritual called metzitzah b'peh, where the rabbi or mohel cleans the blood from the baby's penis with his mouth. From 2000 to 2011, at least 11 baby boys in the city were infected with herpes simplex 1 - common in adults, deadly in infants - through the oral-genital ritual; 10 of them were hospitalized, two suffered brain damage, and two died. New York City's health department, in conjunction with all city-owned hospitals and eight private ones, is now distributing a pamphlet, "Before the Bris," explaining the dangers of metzitzah b'peh, especially targeting the ultra Orthodox haredi Jews who still practice it. Is New York stepping on Jews' freedom of religion, or should the city just outright ban an archaic, potentially deadly tradition that most Jews abandoned 150 years ago?
New York needs to quash this nonsense: A warning pamphlet is better than nothing, but "it is not enough," says Danielle Sullivan at Babble. "This practice needs to be outlawed." New York has to stop "hiding behind religion" and think about the health and lives of innocent babies. But above and beyond the herpes risk, there's a larger issue with this creepy ritual: "No grown man should ever be legally allowed to put his mouth on a newborn's penis... ever."
"NYC hospitals warn parents against extreme circumcision ritual"

People are overreacting: Let's look at the numbers here, says Yossi Gestetner at Gestetner Updates: According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 20,493 metzitzah b'peh circumcisions in New York in a six-year period, working out to 3,415.5 a year, or just under 10 a day. That means about one infant a year, out of 3,416, gets herpes. Extrapolating that math over 11 years, two out of 37,570 New York City babies who undergo this procedure die. To put that in context, "two fathers out of those 37,570 infants had a chance of God-forbid dying in a car accident." With those odds, New York should butt out.

Regardless, this is another black mark on circumcision: "While often harmless, if the mohel has an easily transmittable disease like herpes, serious problems can occur" from metzitzah b'peh, says Garth Johnston at Gothamist. What we're most curious about is "how this rallies calls to ban circumcision altogether, calls which have been popping up for a while now." Certainly, this is a point for the anti-circumcision "intactivists." But legal or not, tradition dies hard, and "we strongly suspect the age-old practice won't be going anywhere anytime soon."

"Circumcision sucking gave 11 NYC boys herpes..."
 06/09/2012 08:42 PM
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GreenA

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Ahhh! Scarred for life!

 06/10/2012 06:52 AM
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TyroneShoelaces

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That's really messed up. I know there's some weird stuff out there like eating the placenta, but this is almost even stranger.



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 06/10/2012 07:20 AM
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Ripper65

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Unreal!!

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Well then...........DO IT!!!
 06/10/2012 08:04 AM
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bob3000

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New York, New York. It's a hell of a town.

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 06/10/2012 08:58 AM
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TAK

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Originally posted by: GreenA Ahhh! Scarred for life!

Right there with ya haha
 06/10/2012 04:29 PM
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WG

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Mezizah
It's in scripture
"God Breathed"
 06/10/2012 07:34 PM
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wetspot

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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...ah#Metzitzah_technique

As opposed to milah, a Divine law, and priah, a Rabbinic law, metzitzah is a Rabbinic injunction meant to protect the health of the baby: As understood by medical science of the time, this would prevent infection.

As Rabbinic injunctions regarding health are taken quite seriously- more so than even religious law- metzitzah came to be regarded as an essential part of the brit milah ceremony. In general, however, Rabbinic statements about medicine and health have long been regarded as non-binding when modern medical science contradicts them.


Can you imagine the lawsuits that would line up if a Catholic priest ever tried this???


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 06/11/2012 09:00 AM
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ncbeachbum

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Originally posted by: wetspot  Can you imagine the lawsuits that would line up if a Catholic priest ever tried this???

 

What do you mean IF?

 06/11/2012 09:35 AM
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bob3000

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yeah, westop!.... where ya been? 0/5 for IF.

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 06/11/2012 07:39 PM
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hodad66

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a priest tried it?..... oh, way too funny!

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