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Topic Title: Beaches closed from Jupiter to Palm Beach
Topic Summary: Red tide suspected
Created On: 09/30/2018 06:55 AM
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 10/17/2018 11:39 AM
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miker

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Originally posted by: 426Blue

Miker - Don't replace it with anything. It's called weeds and looks like a lawn from a distance, except during times of drought it gets a little dry looking, but also requires less mowing. My front and back lawn of weeds looks great especially when freshly mowed - seriously. It also feels great beneath bare feet with no sand spurs, and friends' kids that come over do just fine wrestling around in it. There is no excuse or no need to put anything other than rainwater on your property's vegetation, including groundwater. Put up two rainbarrels (even though I've heard it's illegal), and that will suffice for all your plant watering needs. I agree with the irony of the masses relying and playing in the natural environment, yet insist on sucking the high quality aquifers dry (some use reclaimed) and dumping chemicals on their lawn -all for what??


Cool, but that didn't really answer my question. I said it has to be grass.
 10/17/2018 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by: miker Would should someone replace St Augustine with that can handle foot traffic and is grass. Some of these alternatives to grass aren'tt going to work for people with small children.
Bermuda or zoysia?
 10/17/2018 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by: 426Blue Miker - Don't replace it with anything. It's called weeds and looks like a lawn from a distance, except during times of drought it gets a little dry looking, but also requires less mowing. My front and back lawn of weeds looks great especially when freshly mowed - seriously. It also feels great beneath bare feet with no sand spurs, and friends' kids that come over do just fine wrestling around in it. There is no excuse or no need to put anything other than rainwater on your property's vegetation, including groundwater. Put up two rainbarrels (even though I've heard it's illegal), and that will suffice for all your plant watering needs. I agree with the irony of the masses relying and playing in the natural environment, yet insist on sucking the high quality aquifers dry (some use reclaimed) and dumping chemicals on their lawn -all for what??
My parents are lawn freaks. I've been trying to convince them to just quit making it look perfect, leave it alone weeds and whatever, and schedule their mowing at reasonable intervals so it doesn't look neglected. But each Saturday, especially in August, at high noon, they'll be out there, re-sodding and fertilizing.
 10/17/2018 03:58 PM
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miker

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My limiting factor is my spouse. It had to be grass, that is why I am asking what the best one to use is for our environment.
 10/17/2018 03:59 PM
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miker

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Oh, I just heard Sebastian Inlet is closed due to red tide.
 10/17/2018 04:04 PM
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Central Floridave

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A friend says it is in S.Cocoa Beach this afternoon. Ugh.
 10/17/2018 05:02 PM
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Lots of dead fish around satellite area had my dogs down there and left pretty quickly because I could feel it in my throat. I'm pretty sensitive for some reason though. Maybe something to do with living on the dune line during the last really bad one.
 10/17/2018 05:09 PM
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Neighbor 2 doors down just put in 0.4 acres of St. Augustine sod yesterday. Immediate neighbor waters 3X per week, fertilizes straight through the wet season, and is currently spraying weed killer on the root shoots around the live oak that leans over our garage. Neighbor across from her has two properties, residence and rental on adjoining lots. He waters 3-4X per week and relentlessly fertilizes. None of them get the clippings or leaf litter out of the street so that all washes down the hill. Nobody wants to shell out the money to fix the problem with septic and antiquated municipal waste water systems. It is kind of an uphill battle to try to get any kind of meaningful movement on controlling eutrophication.

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 10/17/2018 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by: scombrid

Neighbor 2 doors down just put in 0.4 acres of St. Augustine sod yesterday. Immediate neighbor waters 3X per week, fertilizes straight through the wet season, and is currently spraying weed killer on the root shoots around the live oak that leans over our garage. Neighbor across from her has two properties, residence and rental on adjoining lots. He waters 3-4X per week and relentlessly fertilizes. None of them get the clippings or leaf litter out of the street so that all washes down the hill. Nobody wants to shell out the money to fix the problem with septic and antiquated municipal waste water systems. It is kind of an uphill battle to try to get any kind of meaningful movement on controlling eutrophication.


Several years back we had a neighbor that watered his lawn ~10 hours straight, so much in fact that I took pictures of ducks bathing in my gutters.

I called the St Johns Water District Management and thought they would have some teeth. They don't. In fact, all they can do is send a letter. Fortunately my numnuts neighbor got scared and backed off from his stupidity. Funny that this guy had a PHd in Computer Science. Dumber than a rock in regards to the Lagoon's problems.

This is what we are dealing with.
 10/17/2018 10:08 PM
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Hopefully, you talked to your neighbor (and educated him) before taking pics and calling the fuzz... Puff puff, pass

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 10/18/2018 09:23 AM
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Nobody wants to shell out the money to fix the problem with septic and antiquated municipal waste water systems. It is kind of an uphill battle to try to get any kind of meaningful movement on controlling eutrophication.


It's really expensive for parcel owners that don't fall into a Priority Focus Area. Most counties do have programs that help foot the bill for conversion, but in OC at least, 69% of the neighborhood has to commit financially before a plan can even be drawn up. The average cost to a homeowner for converting from septic to sewer is about 25K-50K. Uphill battle is definitely an understatement.

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 10/18/2018 10:14 AM
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Red tide has arrived in Indialantic/IHB.
 10/18/2018 10:24 AM
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scombrid

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Originally posted by: worksuxgetsponsered
Nobody wants to shell out the money to fix the problem with septic and antiquated municipal waste water systems. It is kind of an uphill battle to try to get any kind of meaningful movement on controlling eutrophication.
It's really expensive for parcel owners that don't fall into a Priority Focus Area. Most counties do have programs that help foot the bill for conversion, but in OC at least, 69% of the neighborhood has to commit financially before a plan can even be drawn up. The average cost to a homeowner for converting from septic to sewer is about 25K-50K. Uphill battle is definitely an understatement.
I think the state has a big responsibility to foot a chunk of that bill. State was permitting 1000s and 1000s of units in high density developments with no sewage treatment long after it knew or should have known that the lack or sewage treatment would lead to water quality problems in lakes and lagoons.

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 10/18/2018 10:29 AM
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worksuxgetsponsered

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There are other programs, but unless you're in a PFA, they base it on the mean income of the neighborhood. I'm still doing research on the topic, but from what I can tell, most of programs are geared towards PFA's.

By Dec. 3, I'll probably be able to report back a more thorough answer.

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 10/18/2018 10:29 AM
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scombrid

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The lawn thing should be the low hanging fruit on the clean up list but the cultural resistance to anything that doesn't look like astroturf year-round is insane. The guy that just put in the 0.4 acres of sod is a duck hunter. You'd think he'd be conscientious about the causes of the loss of sea grass in the lagoon. For every lawn in our neighborhood that has gone FL Natiive or FL Friendly Non-Native there are two that have been newly sodded with St. Aug. I was on the St. Lucie last week. Those people have some nerve blaming all their water quality problems on Lake O. It was all St. Augustine lawns and zero buffer between lawn and waterway or lawn and street.

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 10/18/2018 10:33 AM
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scombrid

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Originally posted by: worksuxgetsponsered There are other programs, but unless you're in a PFA, they base it on the mean income of the neighborhood. I'm still doing research on the topic, but from what I can tell, most of programs are geared towards PFA's. By Dec. 3, I'll probably be able to report back a more thorough answer.
Well, it does make sense to prioritize where to spend the money when trying to carry out the BMAPs to achieve the TMDLs. (we are all paying an extra fee on our water/sewer bill since the BMAP for IRL was adopted a couple of years ago).

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 10/18/2018 01:55 PM
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Septic to sewer conversion is really expensive, the Impact fee is $$$$$$$. I do not think many residents will go for it. I guess the possible solution would be to waive all impacts fees to connect to sewer for any home immediately adjacent to the water & and as Daner stated earlier give more Homestead exemption to those who do not have sodded yards but instead have zero-scape or natural scape (whatever it is called). But how would you check and enforce it? . To answer Miker...if you need to have grass maybe this one .....BAHIAGRASS . "BAHIA is a pasture grass but has become a popular, low-maintenance lawn grass that performs well with limited water and fertilizer inputs. Bahia does not require irrigation during the installation and establishment period. It is for this reason that Bahia is widely used for erosion control on roadsides and retention ponds. Bahia forms a deep root system making it a great choice in sandy, infertile soils".

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 10/18/2018 04:12 PM
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Hmm, wonder if you can just seed in Bahia and let the st Augustine go.... chinch bugs or whatever.
 10/18/2018 06:25 PM
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Brevard is one of the few County's that are stepping up and offering other incentives, as well as most of the county being a PFA.

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I know how to grow grass, but not bahaia.......

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Edited: 10/19/2018 at 04:55 AM by worksuxgetsponsered
 10/19/2018 07:06 AM
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miker my neighbor let their lawn convert from St. Auggie when I first moved in to bahia now over a time. Seems like a good idea since it looks OK and is much better for the environment.
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