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Topic Title: Surfer bitten in half Topic Summary: in Australia... Created On: 07/14/2012 03:16 AM Status: Post and Reply |
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OK man! Sorry I lit a fuse about saving sharks! Kill one today, and just like sharks teeth, another pops up tomorrow. I thought a part of surfing was the adventure part. You know that feeling of entering a different world. Not that I want to be cut in half or eaten by a great white! Or even bitten by a small shark! But I guess we could build more wave pools for all the surfers that want a safe , lifeguarded, protected,chlorine environment to surf in. I have no problem with that.
------------------------- Ka'a'awa avocado |
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Surfers need fifty yards of ocean, the sharks have MILES of space. Keep 'em out of the coastline.
i nominate this for "most ignorant comment of the year"
I second the nomination! You are a genius! I lose more and more faith in humanity everyday. I wish there was a way for a natural disaster to wipe just the stupid people off the face of this planet... |
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if it weren't for sharks, think how crowded the line up would really be. I've see big tigers in the water and not get out because the waves were too good. But, I won't stick my feet in during a blue fish blitz. ------------------------- Yo no estoy casado. Pero mi esposa esta casada. |
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Humans are not the top of the food chain. If you were, you'd be eating an Osprey omlette for breakfast and Tiger sammiches for lunch. Now when you're eating Tuna, you're getting pretttty close.... We now return to the original program already in progress. |
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Was that before or after the segment on ancient aliens, bigfoot, ghosts, nessie, and psychic powers? Discovery, History, and Nat. Geo do almost nothing but push complete bullshit anymore. I really can't comment on what you saw because your description is fairly incomprehensible but I'm going to wager that if it was on Discovery it was pretty much 90% pseudoscientific bullshit. ------------------------- ... |
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scrombrid YOU know that if it was on TV it must be TRUE!
------------------------- The cops never think it’s as funny as you do. |
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------------------------- And Bob will ALWAYS be my numero uno. -Tiffanys |
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Come on fellas, everyone who's ever taken an ecology class knows that the theory of a linear food "chain" has been debunked. It's all about that food "web" now.
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I'm all for consumptive use of living resources. I'm not concerned so much with the individual shark as much as its role in the ecosystem. Your comparison of the shark to a clam or salmon is valid as it applies from an "animal rights" perspective. It makes no sense from an ecosystem management perspective. We aren't so good at managing ecosystems right now and removal of an apex predator is known to have a cascading effect that can damage useful harvestable resources. I'm not sure what you think is to be accomplished by "farming" an apex predator and keeping it out of the ecosystem in which it naturally lives. That doesn't make much sense. White sharks aren't a good candidate for food production. It appears that you are ultimately simply advocating for removal of dangerous species where they may kill a human. Suppose that removal allows over-population by some herbivore that completely wrecks hundred of square miles of near shore habitat. Is it worth it to the people that depend on that habitat for food and income to risk it to protect some people that want to play in the water without the 1:10000000 risk of getting kill by a shark? ------------------------- ... |
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------------------------- And Bob will ALWAYS be my numero uno. -Tiffanys |
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scombrid writes:
I'm all for consumptive use of living resources. I'm not concerned so much with the individual shark as much as its role in the ecosystem. Your comparison of the shark to a clam or salmon is valid as it applies from an "animal rights" perspective. It makes no sense from an ecosystem management perspective. We aren't so good at managing ecosystems right now and removal of an apex predator is known to have a cascading effect that can damage useful harvestable resources. I'm not sure what you think is to be accomplished by "farming" an apex predator and keeping it out of the ecosystem in which it naturally lives. That doesn't make much sense. White sharks aren't a good candidate for food production. It appears that you are ultimately simply advocating for removal of dangerous species where they may kill a human. Suppose that removal allows over-population by some herbivore that completely wrecks hundred of square miles of near shore habitat. Is it worth it to the people that depend on that habitat for food and income to risk it to protect some people that want to play in the water without the 1:10000000 risk of getting kill by a shark?
1st however, got some GREAT waves earlier, 4+ hrs of easy 4-5' drops and speedy down the line 50yrd walls! I'm beat, and diggin it~ Listen, don't go crazy here, what I'm about on this is, ya ya ya, I know all the bullshit theory ing thing about the DISCovery channnel and all, but watch the segment, it's about a bunch of evidence unreleased till now physical and otherwise, now compiled by NOAA scientists in conjunction with some world governments(I forget which), US Navy, credible sources, of course pretty wild because it's the DISC channel~~ anyway- so if I get you right, your saying eliminating a maneating species from interaction zones around the globe ie: WA, SA up, SF-Monterrey, LA-SD, WHEREver a major threat exists (what, like .00 something part of global coastline) is going to wreck havoc on the fisheries and armagedon eco-system adjacent? please,, pedal that elsewhere, it'll never -- what do they say, have t' agree t' dis agree man. I'm using the small ocean area for my quality of life, and if I can't choose that lifestyle because of a miniscule population of the sea's apex predators make it a life threatening risk, I'm the first on the killing boat and head of the line drummin up help for the effort. plus,, it'll creat jobs ! Edited: 07/16/2012 at 02:57 PM by Pablote |
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They're there...they just lurk between the lines in the murky shallows of the diagram. o_O @Bob |
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I wish there was a way for a natural disaster to wipe just the stupid people off the face of this planet...
Remove all warning labels! That will cull the herd of its weakness... |
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------------------------- And Bob will ALWAYS be my numero uno. -Tiffanys |
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I've seen shows about White Shark conservation and it seems more or less addressed to an appeal for the natural regulation of coastal Seal populations. Put down the number of White Sharks and Seal populations run wild. But this hardly constitutes a devistating problem. Open a season on Seal hunting just like gator hunting or anything else. Give out Seal tags. Manage the substantial yeild and regulate the population without the preditor. Cull the herds as necessary and then White Sharks no longer play a necessary roll in the equation. The problem is that left wing enviromentalism can get way too carried away at times and bring as much dishonesty and BS to the table as the far right. This shit about 'we have to save the White Sharks' is a castle built upon the sand. Throw a little water at the foundation of the claim itself and the whole apologetic castle comes crashing down. No, we don't actually have to save the White Sharks. And even if we tried as hard as possible to eliminate them off the face of the planet, we'd probably fail. But they can certainly be culled into lesser populations, like they were before the tree hugging extreme left came along and created what is turning into an over population. This is the same stupid reasoning and knee jerk reaction techniques that have resulted in the over population of Jewfish in certain era's. No season, no balance, not anything. Just an aggressive preditor who's population was once upon a time damaged to the point where laws were passed and they were allowed to run wild thereafter. ------------------------- It's spring time, for Hitler, and Germany...
Edited: 07/16/2012 at 06:06 PM by Northjetty101 |
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Might have more to do with chumming for shark cage tourists, training the sharks to associate humans with food, discouraging migration by feeding, and the increase in humans entering the water in western Oz than white shark conservation.
http://stopsharkcagediving.com...um-great-white-sharks/ And you can never be sure of the consequences of removing or culling an apex predator, their diet is not limited to pinnipeds. |
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thats some crazy stuff! im sure glad we dont have none of them sharks round h3re |
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The inter-web destroyed foodchaining...
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I heard theinternetdesrroiedsurfing moved to Oz.
Every time I hear one of these stories I wonder |
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That's true, these sharks could be associating humans with food as the result of shark tourism. That's a point well taken and is very much addressed to the South African shark tourism as well. But check this out, the White Shark numbers were in noticeable decline years ago. These shows that I'm referring to are shows about shark researchers and cage divers that used to search high and low and wait and wait to finally see a White Shark. Off of Baha and other places. And then they chime in with how wonderful conservation has been because now they don't have to wait anymore, there's noticeably more sharks around now. So we know what it's like to cull the population because it was culled back at one point in time. The world kept turning, everything went on as usual. But researcher's and shark tourism proponents hated it. Bad for business. These morons have been allowed to bring back the numbers through the guise of conservation (as if we're dealing with something like a dolphin or whale) and now we have shark populations increasing and the chain of effects that result from it. They complain that the seal populations were getting out of control back when the shark population was down. But like I said, we can control the seal populations ourselves. They can be regulated, harvested, and used as necessary to maintain healthy numbers that are in accord with nature. As far as the fish diet goes, there's plenty of other preditors and humans to consume the fish that missing Great Whites will not consume. I guess I don't see too much in the way of mystery concerning the aftermath of culling Great White's around local beaches.
------------------------- It's spring time, for Hitler, and Germany...
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