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 07/16/2012 07:31 AM
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Sonic Wave

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OK man! Sorry I lit a fuse about saving sharks! Kill one today, and just like sharks teeth, another pops up tomorrow. I thought a part of surfing was the adventure part. You know that feeling of entering a different world. Not that I want to be cut in half or eaten by a great white! Or even bitten by a small shark! But I guess we could build more wave pools for all the surfers that want a safe , lifeguarded, protected,chlorine environment to surf in. I have no problem with that.

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 07/16/2012 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by: riceandbeans
Originally posted by: WB Wait until someone in your family gets bit, then YOU'LL START SUPPORTING shark hunting season. Humans are the top of the food chain.

 

 

 

Surfers need fifty yards of ocean, the sharks have MILES of space. Keep 'em out of the coastline.

 

 

 

 

i nominate this for "most ignorant comment of the year"

 

I second the nomination! You are a genius! I lose more and more faith in humanity everyday. I wish there was a way for a natural disaster to wipe just the stupid people off the face of this planet...

 07/16/2012 11:47 AM
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if it weren't for sharks, think how crowded the line up would really be.  I've see big tigers in the water and not get out because the waves were too good.  But, I won't stick my feet in during a blue fish blitz.



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 07/16/2012 11:53 AM
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tom

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Everytime you enter the ocean, you are no longer the top of the food chain.


Humans are not the top of the food chain. If you were,
you'd be eating an Osprey omlette for breakfast and
Tiger sammiches for lunch.

Now when you're eating Tuna, you're getting pretttty close....

We now return to the original program already in progress.

 07/16/2012 01:23 PM
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scombrid

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Originally posted by: Pablote Check out the new segment shown last night(I don't know how to find a repeat of it) on Discovery regarding the absolute physical evidence obtained over the last many decades of evolved 'Mermaids'.

Was that before or after the segment on ancient aliens, bigfoot, ghosts, nessie, and psychic powers?  Discovery, History, and Nat. Geo do almost nothing but push complete bullshit anymore.  I really can't comment on what you saw because your description is fairly incomprehensible but I'm going to wager that if it was on Discovery it was pretty much 90% pseudoscientific bullshit. 



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 07/16/2012 01:25 PM
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Kombona

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scrombrid YOU know that if it was on TV it must be TRUE!

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 07/16/2012 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Pablote Check out the new segment shown last night(I don't know how to find a repeat of it) on Discovery regarding the absolute physical evidence obtained over the last many decades of evolved 'Mermaids'. This is a human species evolved from caveman times that kills(ed) Megladons to Great Whites and hunts(ed) harvests other marine life for sustinance, and their continued existance upon this earth. Evidenciary photos and film of multi speared Great Whites, and net caught living specimens. Unlike the general concern of us landlubbers destrying our environment and disafuc-ingppearing, these guys found a way still to exsist, partly by killing what threatens them.    flame-on

i'm gonna 2nd scombrid (on his take on this message) and say....

wait...what?

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 07/16/2012 01:28 PM
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BLat

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Come on fellas, everyone who's ever taken an ecology class knows that the theory of a linear food "chain" has been debunked.

A < B < C < D (No more)

It's all about that food "web" now.

 07/16/2012 01:33 PM
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scombrid

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Originally posted by: Pablote ^ I sold food for a time some years a go (a regional competitor of Sysco and like others) and readily helped restaurants and other establishments add to their menus many different items that brought them to the next level of quality and diversity such as 'Mako', 3 or more different species of oyster and untold other unique marine delicacies'. Knowing this now, it just kills me the hypocracy of those who so fervently defend the killing or harvesting of an animal that threatens the very existence of their own life, however have no problem doing it to other species of animal or mammal for human consumption, or even an ornamental hobby (like salt water fish tanking). One dude comments; 'the shark did nothing wrong' , well neither did the clam, the cod, salmon, and so on.  I know, some will say; but we have to 'EAT',, well we have to live. Yes, and we've begun to 'farm' this resource for aiding that purpose, however unflavorable that is to some. Farm the Whites and eliminate them from the area's we interact if you think the resource will negativly impact the planet over time. You and I are the masters of this planet, for now, our only source of 'home'. Effectively eliminating a threat to our (me and my families) if not you and yours, is exactly an extention of how 'we', humans, live with consistancy. If you think you can justify living under a conspicuous nature of hypocracy like that, it is guarenteed over time to eventually destroy a species. US. I will not go down like that, essentially by my own volition. You can, but I won't let you take me and us with you. If there are deadly predators in the waters I live in and around, 'I'm' not changing my short life and lifestyle due to somebodies convoluted ideal of protectionism. 

I'm all for consumptive use of living resources.  I'm not concerned so much with the individual shark as much as its role in the ecosystem.  Your comparison of the shark to a clam or salmon is valid as it applies from an "animal rights" perspective.  It makes no sense from an ecosystem management perspective.  We aren't so good at managing ecosystems right now and removal of an apex predator is known to have a cascading effect that can damage useful harvestable resources.  I'm not sure what you think is to be accomplished by "farming" an apex predator and keeping it out of the ecosystem in which it naturally lives.  That doesn't make much sense.  White sharks aren't a good candidate for food production.  It appears that you are ultimately simply advocating for removal of dangerous species where they may kill a human.  Suppose that removal allows over-population by some herbivore that completely wrecks hundred of square miles of near shore habitat.  Is it worth it to the people that depend on that habitat for food and income to risk it to protect some people that want to play in the water without the 1:10000000 risk of getting kill by a shark? 



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 07/16/2012 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by: BLat It's all about that food "web" now.

I see no sharks in that ^ web, so looks like we're all OK. Right?

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 07/16/2012 02:39 PM
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Pablote

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scombrid writes:

 

I'm all for consumptive use of living resources.  I'm not concerned so much with the individual shark as much as its role in the ecosystem.  Your comparison of the shark to a clam or salmon is valid as it applies from an "animal rights" perspective.  It makes no sense from an ecosystem management perspective.  We aren't so good at managing ecosystems right now and removal of an apex predator is known to have a cascading effect that can damage useful harvestable resources.  I'm not sure what you think is to be accomplished by "farming" an apex predator and keeping it out of the ecosystem in which it naturally lives.  That doesn't make much sense.  White sharks aren't a good candidate for food production.  It appears that you are ultimately simply advocating for removal of dangerous species where they may kill a human.  Suppose that removal allows over-population by some herbivore that completely wrecks hundred of square miles of near shore habitat.  Is it worth it to the people that depend on that habitat for food and income to risk it to protect some people that want to play in the water without the 1:10000000 risk of getting kill by a shark? 

 

1st however, got some GREAT waves earlier, 4+ hrs of easy 4-5' drops and speedy down the line 50yrd walls! I'm beat, and diggin it~

Listen, don't go crazy here, what I'm about on this is, ya ya ya, I know all the bullshit theory ing thing about the DISCovery channnel and all, but watch the segment, it's about a bunch of evidence unreleased till now physical and otherwise, now compiled by NOAA scientists in conjunction with some world governments(I forget which), US Navy, credible sources, of course pretty wild because it's the DISC channel~~ anyway-

so if I get you right, your saying eliminating a maneating species from interaction zones around the globe ie: WA, SA up, SF-Monterrey, LA-SD, WHEREver a major threat exists (what, like .00 something part of global coastline) is going to wreck havoc on the fisheries and armagedon eco-system adjacent?  please,, pedal that elsewhere, it'll never --  what do they say, have t' agree t' dis agree man. I'm using the small ocean area for my quality of life, and if I can't choose that lifestyle because of a miniscule population of the sea's apex predators make it a life threatening risk, I'm the first on the killing boat and head of the line drummin up help for the effort.

plus,, it'll creat jobs !   Blue, Mako, and Tiger fillets are EXCELLENT !! grill'em, lightly smoked if you choose, seriously sweet guaranteed. If you disagree, you're not a fish eater.



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 07/16/2012 02:57 PM
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BLat

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They're there...they just lurk between the lines in the murky shallows of the diagram. o_O

@Bob

 07/16/2012 03:35 PM
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riceandbeans

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Originally posted by: bubbagasm

 

I wish there was a way for a natural disaster to wipe just the stupid people off the face of this planet...

 

Remove all warning labels! That will cull the herd of its weakness...

 07/16/2012 03:55 PM
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bob3000

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Originally posted by: BLat They're there...they just lurk between the lines in the murky shallows of the diagram. o_O

@Bob

i don't think so, and neither do the tourists.

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 07/16/2012 05:39 PM
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I've seen shows about White Shark conservation and it seems more or less addressed to an appeal for the natural regulation of coastal Seal populations. Put down the number of White Sharks and Seal populations run wild.

But this hardly constitutes a devistating problem. Open a season on Seal hunting just like gator hunting or anything else. Give out Seal tags. Manage the substantial yeild and regulate the population without the preditor. Cull the herds as necessary and then White Sharks no longer play a necessary roll in the equation. The problem is that left wing enviromentalism can get way too carried away at times and bring as much dishonesty and BS to the table as the far right. 

This shit about 'we have to save the White Sharks' is a castle built upon the sand. Throw a little water at the foundation of the claim itself and the whole apologetic castle comes crashing down. No, we don't actually have to save the White Sharks. And even if we tried as hard as possible to eliminate them off the face of the planet, we'd probably fail. But they can certainly be culled into lesser populations, like they were before the tree hugging extreme left came along and created what is turning into an over population. This is the same stupid reasoning and knee jerk reaction techniques that have resulted in the over population of Jewfish in certain era's. No season, no balance, not anything. Just an aggressive preditor who's population was once upon a time damaged to the point where laws were passed and they were allowed to run wild thereafter. 



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 07/16/2012 07:45 PM
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Might have more to do with chumming for shark cage tourists, training the sharks to associate humans with food, discouraging migration by feeding, and the increase in humans entering the water in western Oz than white shark conservation.

http://stopsharkcagediving.com...um-great-white-sharks/


And you can never be sure of the consequences of removing or culling an apex predator, their diet is not limited to pinnipeds.
 07/16/2012 07:50 PM
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butterywalker09

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thats some crazy stuff! im sure glad we dont have none of them sharks round h3re

 07/17/2012 04:26 AM
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tom

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The inter-web destroyed foodchaining...
 07/17/2012 10:05 AM
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3rdworldlover

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I heard theinternetdesrroiedsurfing moved to Oz.
Every time I hear one of these stories I wonder
 07/17/2012 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by: 3rdworldlover Might have more to do with chumming for shark cage tourists, training the sharks to associate humans with food, discouraging migration by feeding, and the increase in humans entering the water in western Oz than white shark conservation. http://stopsharkcagediving.com...um-great-white-sharks/ And you can never be sure of the consequences of removing or culling an apex predator, their diet is not limited to pinnipeds.

That's true, these sharks could be associating humans with food as the result of shark tourism. That's a point well taken and is very much addressed to the South African shark tourism as well.

But check this out, the White Shark numbers were in noticeable decline years ago. These shows that I'm referring to are shows about shark researchers and cage divers that used to search high and low and wait and wait to finally see a White Shark. Off of Baha and other places. And then they chime in with how wonderful conservation has been because now they don't have to wait anymore, there's noticeably more sharks around now. So we know what it's like to cull the population because it was culled back at one point in time. The world kept turning, everything went on as usual.

But researcher's and shark tourism proponents hated it. Bad for business. These morons have been allowed to bring back the numbers through the guise of conservation (as if we're dealing with something like a dolphin or whale) and now we have shark populations increasing and the chain of effects that result from it. They complain that the seal populations were getting out of control back when the shark population was down. But like I said, we can control the seal populations ourselves. They can be regulated, harvested, and used as necessary to maintain healthy numbers that are in accord with nature. As far as the fish diet goes, there's plenty of other preditors and humans to consume the fish that missing Great Whites will not consume. I guess I don't see too much in the way of mystery concerning the aftermath of culling Great White's around local beaches.  

 



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