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 04/09/2012 01:17 PM
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cavebirdmasterson

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Let me start off by saying the expoused nearshore reef in the midreach hasnt always been there, it is not naturally occuring. The midreach was all sand until jetty park was built which obstructed the north to south flow of sand consequently the beaches south of jetty park lost sand and had none to replace it. It wasnt until then that the rocks (which were buried under sand) became expoused. The army corps of engineers unintentionally created new habitats for shit loads of organisms, the most important being juvenille sea turtles.

Secondly the waves in the mid reach are mostly shitty and undistiguisable from each other besides for a few standouts and secrets. For the most part the nearshore reef that would be and NATURALLY should be covered by sand has NO effect on the quality of the waves... ITS the rocks/reef a little offshore of the breaks that effects the shape of the waves more.  As far as im concerned the waves in the midreach cant get much worse so maybe a little extra sand could do some good.

Lastly if the project is a complete bust and screws everything up the sand will down at the sebastian bypass in a year or less... Remember how the rocks got there in the first place? So unless someone blows up jetty park everything will return to normal within a year.

So if there gonna do it then who cares? The waves cant get worses in my eyes so they can only get better or stay the same. Although, it is basically a waste of money since they gonna have the same problem in a year. They should just knockdown all beachfront property so there would be no such thing as erosion.... ITS THE ONLY PERMINATE SOLUTION... beaches move they need space to breath.

The only people who have a point are the turtle junkies because the turtles and their food love those rocks.

 

 04/09/2012 03:07 PM
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mrmikea1234

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perminate is that a verb?

 04/09/2012 04:09 PM
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TAK

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You are so wrong in so many ways
 04/09/2012 04:32 PM
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pompano

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Let's hope there is a GED in your future. You have failed so adamantly with this post. It is a testament to the decaying state of our education standards.
 04/09/2012 06:40 PM
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dingpatch

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Right arm, man.

I am so over those F'in rocks. Grew up with the F'rs at Gulf Station and Lums. We're more than ready for some good old sand!
 04/09/2012 07:35 PM
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Baggins

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This sounds like Fin Guru's twisted and ridiculous logic.  "Let's destroy something to see what effect it has".....This post illustrates why it's critical that sensible individuals make their voice heard.---------------



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 04/09/2012 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Baggins This sounds like Fin Guru's twisted and ridiculous logic.  "Let's destroy something to see what effect it has".....This post illustrates why it's critical that sensible individuals make their voice heard.---------------

Amen Brother!



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 04/09/2012 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by: TAK You are so wrong in so many ways

Couldn't agree w/ more TAK!



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Originally posted by: pompano Let's hope there is a GED in your future. You have failed so adamantly with this post. It is a testament to the decaying state of our education standards.

Hahaha!



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 04/10/2012 04:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Baggins This sounds like Fin Guru's twisted and ridiculous logic.  "Let's destroy something to see what effect it has".....This post illustrates why it's critical that sensible individuals make their voice heard.---------------

 

 

Im  sorry, but you misinterpreted my thread....im not pro-dredging...i observed that sometimes you see improvment in the surf condition. More like a glass half full approach to the dilemna... i didnt say it was 100% gaurenteed...but there have been more than one instance of a barreling wave...post-dredge.

 

I didnt say "lets destroy something and see what effect it has"...your an idiot...that was never my metality, so dont try and represent my thoughts and view...speak for yourself....dont label me in your little response....i dont know you...so i would never speak on your behalf.

 04/10/2012 07:05 AM
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cavebirdmasterson

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Originally posted by: TAK You are so wrong in so many ways

good responce dipshit.... Just what is it im wrong about?

 04/10/2012 07:16 AM
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cavebirdmasterson

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Originally posted by: TAK You are so wrong in so many ways

shut up kook. your probably just another mindless retard who thinks beachreplenishment is bad just because surfrider says so. Just follow the school pompano you dont gotta think for yourself. 3/4 of the people on this site dont know shit about beach nourishment and the fact is that if you match the grain size to the natural grain size of sand on that beach there is generally very little environmental harm..... during the last replenishment in indatlantic i collected mole crab, ghost crab, and coquina clam population/size data from nuorished and unourished beaches..... and found that they did a very good job with that project and there was not noticable harm done to the environment. Im not for beach replenishment but if they are going to do it anyway so MIGHT AS WELL DO IT RIGHT. I SAID THAT ONLY SOLUTION IS TO KNOCKDOWN ALL BEACH FRONT PROPERTY. IF YOU INBREED FLORIDA KOOKS CANT DO THAT THEN TOUGH SHIT YOUR GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH PUMPING SAND

 04/10/2012 08:29 AM
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cavebird - please cite where the wormrock (nearshore reef) was not naturally occuring prior to the port.  Since you appear a little special needsish....cite means to provide credit to where you are getting your "facts" from.  thanks.

 04/10/2012 08:38 AM
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bob3000

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troll - talk never gets old here. continue,

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 04/10/2012 09:25 AM
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havanabama

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One point that he does kinda make it the the port channel catches the sand that comes south from the cape, that used to move south and replenish our beaches. Now when the sand falls into the channel, they dredge it and dump it out to sea instead of putting it on the south side of the channel, Jetty park and letting it do what it's supposed to do. Until the sand it allowed to continue to migrate south like it's supposed to do, all other efforts are futile and a waste of money, irregardless of those rocks that bust my toes!

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 04/10/2012 10:23 AM
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SurfCaster

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How far south of the jetty does its influence on sand replenishment extend?

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 04/10/2012 10:57 AM
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Walker D

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Originally posted by: SurfCaster How far south of the jetty does its influence on sand replenishment extend?

Here is a quote from a 2002 report conducted regarding the erosion impacts of Canaveral Harbor on the downdrift beaches: This study concludes that the Canaveral Harbor Federal Navigation Project has caused erosion damages to the shoreline of Brevard County over a distance of 10 to 15 miles south of Canaveral Harbor.

Link to report is here



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 04/10/2012 11:42 AM
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mikedaniel

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2.2.10 Inlet Effects

An independent study was completed in September 2002 by D. Kriebel, R. Weggel, and R. Dalrymple to analyze the effect of the Canaveral Harbor Federal Navigation Project on the shorelines to the south of the harbor. The study concluded that erosion was caused by the project up to 10 to 15 miles south of the inlet. The Brevard County Mid-Reach study area begins at a point 14 miles south of the inlet and includes 7.8 miles of shoreline. The shoreline change analysis included the period when erosion effects on the Mid-Reach study area would have been occurring. Therefore, as the erosive effects of the inlet are included in the shoreline erosion of the area and the limit of the effects of the inlet includes only a small portion of the Mid-Reach study area, no further study to quantify the inlet effects will be included.

from .usace.army.mil/Divisions/Planning/Branches/Environmental/DOCS/OnLine/Brevard/ShoreProtectionProject/Brevard_County_Final_GRR_May_2011.pdf

 04/10/2012 12:39 PM
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SurfCaster

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Cool. I was always wondering what that number would be. Seems at first glance to be based on sound and objective science. So, the jetty has little to no bearing on the shoreline erosion condition in the Mid Reach, and we taxpayers are only saving the shoreline property owners from themselves.

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 04/10/2012 12:54 PM
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mikedaniel

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This is another little gem culled from thousands of pages of government documents (bold by me to highlight good parts)

EPA does have some environmental concerns regarding the long-term

consequences of inundating this hard-bottom habitat, especially since this

will not be the last beach nourishment project in the Mid-Reach.

Therefore, EPA has identified cumulative impacts as being an issue of

concern.

EPA believes that these hardbottom communities are the premier

communities in the local marine environment, and the Final SEIS should

therefore document all activities that will prevent detrimental impacts to

these communities.

 

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