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Topic Title: Muslim travel ban Topic Summary: Not so fast DiC Created On: 03/15/2017 05:03 PM |
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- RustyTruck | - 03/15/2017 05:03 PM |
- Fish Killer | - 03/15/2017 05:05 PM |
- RustyTruck | - 03/15/2017 05:15 PM |
- RustyTruck | - 03/16/2017 07:50 AM |
- obx2 | - 03/16/2017 08:00 AM |
- theglide | - 03/16/2017 08:34 AM |
- obx2 | - 03/16/2017 08:39 AM |
- Pagerow | - 03/16/2017 09:53 AM |
- Sniper | - 03/16/2017 10:13 AM |
- Greensleeves | - 03/16/2017 10:20 AM |
- johnnyboy | - 03/16/2017 08:44 AM |
- Sniper | - 03/16/2017 08:58 AM |
- RegularJoe | - 03/16/2017 09:14 AM |
- Greensleeves | - 03/16/2017 09:29 AM |
- RustyTruck | - 03/16/2017 09:44 AM |
- RustyTruck | - 03/16/2017 10:22 AM |
- WG | - 03/16/2017 10:23 AM |
- Greensleeves | - 03/16/2017 10:25 AM |
- surfdrawn | - 03/17/2017 05:47 AM |
- RustyTruck | - 03/17/2017 05:51 AM |
- RustyTruck | - 05/25/2017 11:11 AM |
- WG | - 05/25/2017 12:26 PM |
- miker | - 05/25/2017 12:45 PM |
- jdbman | - 05/25/2017 01:13 PM |
- all3 | - 05/25/2017 05:24 PM |
- Cole | - 05/26/2017 04:55 AM |
- miker | - 05/26/2017 05:43 AM |
- miker | - 05/26/2017 06:08 AM |
- WG | - 05/25/2017 12:50 PM |
- WG | - 05/26/2017 06:03 AM |
- miker | - 05/26/2017 06:08 AM |
- WG | - 05/26/2017 07:05 AM |
- Greensleeves | - 05/26/2017 06:08 AM |
- all3 | - 05/26/2017 09:38 AM |
- Greensleeves | - 05/26/2017 06:11 AM |
- miker | - 05/26/2017 06:13 AM |
- WG | - 05/26/2017 06:39 AM |
- Greensleeves | - 05/26/2017 06:46 AM |
- jdbman | - 05/26/2017 07:10 AM |
- RustyTruck | - 05/26/2017 07:34 AM |
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03/15/2017 05:03 PM
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Blocked by federal judge before it could go into effect.
So many so-called judges? ------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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03/15/2017 05:05 PM
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So another prog liberal crap judge makes a determination that exceeds his authority and violates the Constitution.
Dang didn't see that coming! Fool! ------------------------- The REAL truth is....both of the forum idiots are OWNED. -BOTH of them have no clue who their owner is. -They are both card carrying narcissists. ^These are PROVED facts. |
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03/15/2017 05:15 PM
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Something stinks. Old bait maybe. ------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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03/16/2017 07:50 AM
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Now a judge in Maryland has joined in to block it.
Dang, it's almost like it's against the law to discriminate based on religion. Someone should have told Twitler. ------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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03/16/2017 08:00 AM
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The problem is, as the law is written, it bans travel from countries, and doesn't mention anything about religion. For the judges to say it does, is only them twisting the law into something its not, instead of the.....well...letter of law itself. |
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03/16/2017 08:34 AM
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I think the fact that Trumpski said we should ban all muslims from entering the country until the government can figure out what the hell is going on weighs heavily on the current EA's intent.
It seems the lib, prog, constitution hating, snowflake judges were considering the intent? |
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03/16/2017 08:39 AM
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The intent is to ban travel from coutnries who openly hate us. Just so happens they are predomintely Muslim. If the intent was to ban all Muslim's from traveling, don't you think all of the predominat Muslim countries would be on the ban, and not jus the one OBAMA HIMSELF, listed? |
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03/16/2017 09:53 AM
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The intent is to ban travel from coutnries who openly hate us. Then why not open the ban to countries that have a history of attacking us? The 9/11 attackers came from Saudi Arabia, UAE, Lebanon and Egypt; none of which are on the ban list. Significant recent attacks in the US were not committed by citizens from any of the seven countries included in the order. This list includes: ?Fort Lauderdale airport shooting (January 2017): A US citizen ?Orlando nightclub shooting (June 2016): A US citizen with Afghan parents ?San Bernardino shooting (December 2015): A US citizen with Pakistani parents, and a Pakistani citizen ?Chattanooga shootings (July 2015): A Kuwait-born US citizen ?Charleston church shooting (June 2015): A US citizen ?Boston marathon bombing (April 2013): Two men originally from Chechnya, Russia There have been a few non-fatal attacks by individuals from two of the countries on the banned list. ------------------------- GOP: Gaslight Obstruct Project |
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03/16/2017 10:13 AM
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------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/16/2017 10:20 AM
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Griper's points:
A true Chump supporter |
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03/16/2017 08:44 AM
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Now you can dream of a leader who eliminates the separation of powers, cuts the red tape and has the stones to hate some of the people in some of the countries that hate us.
------------------------- "One of the reasons why propaganda tries to get you to hate government is because it's the one existing institution in which people can participate to some extent and constrain tyrannical unaccountable power." Noam Chomsky. |
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03/16/2017 08:58 AM
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This isn't a "Muslim travel ban". There are 50 majority muslim nations in the world. We are only talking about 6 of them. The countries we are trying to restrict entry from have a high concentration of terrorist activity, fragile or untrustworthy infrastructures, and are producing an exploding number of refugees. Continuing with business as usual and hoping for the best is a recipe for disaster. Ask France, who has hosted more terrorist attacks in the last 2 years than they have in the last 2 decades.
------------------------- "The government who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul," - George Bernard Shaw “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f—k things up.” - Barack Obama “End of quote. Repeat the line.” - wise words from Joe Biden |
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03/16/2017 09:14 AM
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Does anyone have the judge's detailed description citing what aspects are unconstitutional or legal reasons it is unimplementable?
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03/16/2017 09:29 AM
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I thought Twitler's team had to prove the countries were singled out because of specific risks. Guess his team sucks $hit again. |
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03/16/2017 09:44 AM
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Tripped by his own dick. Because, clearly, Rudy Giuliani is a dick.
"These statements, which include explicit, direct statements of President Trump's animus toward Muslims and intention to impose a ban on Muslims entering the United States, present a convincing case that the first executive order was issued to accomplish, as nearly as possible, President Trump's promised Muslim ban," Chuang wrote on Thursday. "In particular, the direct statements by President Trump and (former New York City Mayor Rudy) Giuliani's account of his conversations with President Trump reveal that the plan had been to bar the entry of nationals of predominantly Muslim countries deemed to constitute dangerous territory in order to approximate a Muslim ban without calling it one precisely the form of the travel ban in the first executive order." ------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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03/16/2017 10:22 AM
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How many terrorist attacks in the USA have been committed by refugees? Or even in Europe?
I hate to tell ya, but this has nothing to do with refugees, or terrorists, or what's good for the USA. Trump raved about a "Muslim Ban" to get the trogs to vote for him, now he's got to come up with something, anything, that with a wink and a nod looks like delivering on his misguided campaign promise. ------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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03/16/2017 10:23 AM
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Donald queered it from the start with his stupid campaign rhetoric which signaled his intent.
Even focused on just a few nations, it's a muslim ban in intent, you can't make history go away. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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03/16/2017 10:25 AM
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At this rate his crack team of dopes should be done with their 90 day review of vetting practices prior to a ban being effective. Right? |
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03/17/2017 05:47 AM
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A holy war is a comin'. Followers of Sharia law do not want to co-exist with other religions and cultures. To quote Slayer..."FUCKIN HOLY WAR!"
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03/17/2017 05:51 AM
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This is all redneck theatre.
------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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05/25/2017 11:11 AM
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Appeals court upholds nationwide ban against Trump's travel ban
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/25/...travel-ban/index.html ------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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05/25/2017 12:26 PM
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Don't call it a "travel ban", because what it is is an unconstitutional Muslim ban.
"The evidence in the record, viewed from the standpoint of the reasonable observer, creates a compelling case that (the executive order's) primary purpose is religious," the ruling states. "Then-candidate Trump's campaign statements reveal that on numerous occasions, he expressed anti-Muslim sentiment, as well as his intent, if elected, to ban Muslims from the United States." " 10-3 ruling ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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05/25/2017 12:45 PM
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What this means to me is that regardless of how it is worded or what it actually does they are going to rule against it because of something he said months ago. It doesn't really matter what the ban actually will do because they aren't ruling on what was written.
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05/25/2017 01:13 PM
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Yep another giant recreation cluster flop from der fuher and his minions. Has something to do with that Constitution. You know something about freedom of religion or not discriminating against people because of religion. I think I have heard this somewhere. I don't know: .... Constitution, bill of rights , bible, 10 commandments, Laws of Hamurabi?
Anyway, too bad der fuher just cant stay on point. Cuz, no shit, international terrorism is WWIII. We could defeat them Japs and Krauts with our industrial might and political will power, but this is very different. There is a heavy psychological overlay. I don't think its a good idea to declare a religion of some billions of people to be terrorists. I don't think it was a good idea to call Desh: "JV". What does ISIS want? One word: Chaos. And one other word Caliphate. They are trying to draw the west into the War to end all wars in the Middle East. They figure they will arise from chaos. They anticipate that eventually people will say that Sharia law is better than no law. What message does it send when the US sends billions of dollars in aid to Saudi and Israel? Desh will soon make moves to instigate conflict between these two. How about an Israel v. Iran show down? Who wins? yep you guessed it ISIS. What should the west do? Win the hearts and minds. Assimilate. How has this worked historically in the US? How many races, religions and national origin's do we currently have in the US? Answer: All of them. Muslim ban. Fuck that what religion is the fuher? Any? Presbyterian? Yea, Presbyterian ban, that's what I'm for. ------------------------- So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off. |
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05/25/2017 05:24 PM
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------------------------- "I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time" |
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05/26/2017 04:55 AM
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What this means to me is that regardless of how it is worded or what it actually does they are going to rule against it because of something he said months ago. It doesn't really matter what the ban actually will do because they aren't ruling on what was written. There is that black and white bullshit again. It's the whole fucking picture, not the little part you want. If I shout I'm going to kill you for a year, then you turn up dead at the bottom of a cliff and I'm standing on top of it - with no one else around - will the law use my words against me or will they toss the case out because there are no witnesses? ------------------------- I was right. |
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05/26/2017 05:43 AM
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What this means to me is that regardless of how it is worded or what it actually does they are going to rule against it because of something he said months ago. It doesn't really matter what the ban actually will do because they aren't ruling on what was written. There is that black and white bullshit again. It's the whole fucking picture, not the little part you want. If I shout I'm going to kill you for a year, then you turn up dead at the bottom of a cliff and I'm standing on top of it - with no one else around - will the law use my words against me or will they toss the case out because there are no witnesses? Yeah Cole, your little scenario is EXACTLY the same as an executive order from the President. Sure things can be open for interpretation if not presented clearly and precisely, but as long as that is done the order is the order exactly as written ...not any bullshit rhetoric that preceded it. |
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05/26/2017 06:08 AM
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And Cole ...since you clearly don't seem to understand what I wrote, let me break out the crayons for you.
Trump's mouth is what is being ruled on, not the actual order itself. I mean do you really disagree with that statement so much that you got this mad bro? |
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05/25/2017 12:50 PM
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They are ruling on both what was written this time, the last time and his clearly expressed intent.
Had he simply said we need to extremely beef up vetting for people that come from these countries that have unrest and are terrorist hotbeds, even perhaps we need to stop or slow down the flow until we can complete our review, there would have been no problem. But that wouldn't have gotten the MAGA crowd all riled up and cheering. He reaps what he sowed. He fucked this up from the start. No amount of tweaking or weaseling so that he can pretend to meet a campaign promise will change that. But it goes to the Republican packed Supreme court next, so maybe there is still a chance. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill Edited: 05/25/2017 at 02:28 PM by WG |
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05/26/2017 06:03 AM
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The courts have so far disagreed with you on that.
------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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05/26/2017 06:08 AM
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The courts have so far disagreed with you on that. I am not sure I understand your comment. Are you now saying that they are only ruling based on the order itself? I have to disagree with that as I have stated several times already. Edit: Never mind, you agree with me at least in part that they are ruling on his rhetoric as well. I went back and reread your posts. Looks like we just disagree on the extent that they are doing so |
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05/26/2017 07:05 AM
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The courts have so far disagreed with you on that. I am not sure I understand your comment. Are you now saying that they are only ruling based on the order itself? I have to disagree with that as I have stated several times already. Edit: Never mind, you agree with me at least in part that they are ruling on his rhetoric as well. I went back and reread your posts. Looks like we just disagree on the extent that they are doing so Yes, as they should, considering intent is entirely proper. That's why there are hate crimes and (to use an extreme example) different levels of murder. As greensleeves pointed out they could be quietly working on improved vetting and better intel of who the bad guys are if the goal was really just to protect Americans. (some people, not the political ones, the people who were already doing this job probably are) But Donald won't talk about that because that was never what this was about. ------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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05/26/2017 06:08 AM
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Has Chump's team of bigots proven that the risk from the ban nations is any higher than that of other nations raising terrorists in their ghettos? His people suck when it comes to working anything that has to be based in fact or goes to an audience other than his adoring medicaid dependent fan boys.
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05/26/2017 09:38 AM
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------------------------- "I remember South Africa in the late 70's, sleeping on the beach at J-bay, smoking ganja with the blacks. On weekends we'd go to the pub in East London to drink beer and fight with the Afrikaners. They liked to fight, I liked to fight. It was a good time" |
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05/26/2017 06:11 AM
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Intent is easily discerned. We all know what it is.
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05/26/2017 06:13 AM
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Intent is easily discerned. We all know what it is. Not arguing with that, however, if someone moderates and tries to compromise on an issue, that has to be taken into consideration as well. Would Trump really be given a fair shot at that on this particular issue? Edit: I think no, and thus he will never get anywhere with it, no matter what he writes. It is a lost cause for him. |
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05/26/2017 06:39 AM
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Yep.
------------------------- "The truth is incontrovertible. malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." -Sir Winston Churchill |
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05/26/2017 06:46 AM
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Administration Lawyers said that their hands are tied by the rulings and they can't start the review of the vetting. That is questionable. Imagine if the Trump team actually worked their review of the vetting process, implemented necessary changes for our safety, and stated that the ban was no longer needed.
Adults would probably do that. |
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05/26/2017 07:10 AM
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Hey mike, love the crayon colors!
------------------------- So if you are a surfer I wish you the prosperity that allows you more time to pursue the salt water dream, and the true happiness that comes from warm water, clean waves and the companionship of your fellow surfers. If you are an internet troll just spewing bs then f off. |
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05/26/2017 07:34 AM
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If the ban was planned for 90 days in the beginning anyway, then the point is moot.
This is clearly just a political stunt for the base at the cost of innocent travelers. ------------------------- Capitalism is based on the ridiculous notion that you can enjoy limitless growth in a closed, finite system. In biology, such behavior of cells is called "cancer". |
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