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Topic Title: Nicaragua protests
Topic Summary: 28 dead, calls for Ortega to quit.
Created On: 04/23/2018 02:58 PM
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 04/23/2018 02:58 PM
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ww

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It's the most serious protests in many years.  US Embassy is mostly shut down, La Prensa is up and running.  Looks like tourists have been getting out.



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The educated people are tired of a dictatorship.  Ortega got back in power and then changed the laws so he could keep getting "re-elected".  Ironically the civil war that helped bring him to power was for the same reason.  My friends down there say most of the conflicts are in Managua and Masaya.  Our driver has made sereral airport runs with some delays but he got guests in and out of the airport without a problem.  Life at the beach really hasn't been affected.  Rivas markets are a little more crowded but no violence.  We will see how it plays out. Hopefully Ortega gets the message and bails before too many more people get hurt or killed.  

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I remember my first trip in the 80's, was in the middle of a riot fresh off the plane, headed for the beach. Ortega is and was a menace to peace, he will not go peacefully
 04/23/2018 05:18 PM
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ww

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Thanks for the report.  It took a while for the pressure cooker to heat up, and in good Latin American tradition the protests are centered around the university.  So now I need to finally get around to visiting once things calm down.

 04/24/2018 03:21 AM
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Just booked a 7 day trip for July to Nicaragua. Anyone have an opinion on that? I noticed the issues were in cities far from the airport and even further from where we are traveling to.
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Informally, it looks like protests, panic buying, and perhaps some looting may have spread almost everywhere (I'm counting a Facebook contact that I can't verify but seems credible, plus La Prensa).  

I would keep the July plans, but be ready to chuck them.

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ww

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Atlantic has a serious story on what's going on.  Probably more useful to read La Prensa.  

Managua is cut off by barricades.  Another headline:  Así fue la agonía de los últimos años de Somoza en el poder (This was the agony of Somoza's last years in power).  

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2 dead in Granada.. no bueno. I wonder if this will thin out the Brazzo posse?

 06/07/2018 10:13 AM
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An old buddy of mine used to HALO into "Hondaragua" with a Team to take care of business back-in-the-day.

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Sadly it has gotten very bad there.  Many at the beach have packed up and left the country.  Tourism has pretty much stopped.  The roads are barricaded in many directions.  The grocery stores have very limited food and the gas stations are rationing what little gas they have.  Many restaurants have closed due to lack of supplies.  The Atlantic article pretty much sums it up.  I don't think this is going to end well. Masked missioary soldiers are running around with guns. Dictatorships are brutal.  Pray for these poor people.

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Met with a newer employee today at my job. He grew up in Nicaragua. He and his family just canceled their yearly trip due to fear of safety and this guy isn't a wilting violet.  Be safe to those who brave it.



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 06/07/2018 07:14 PM
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This was posted by Buzz, it must be pretty bad...

PLEASE READ ALL, THIS WILL BE MY LAST REPORT FOR THE NEXT 2 MONTHS. Due to all the unrest in the country I am shutting down my business and canceling my guests for the month of June and July, I will still pay all my employees and support them and there families even though we will not receive any new business or income. The safety of my guests are my #1 concern, there is little to no gas or food in the towns as of today and if I can not give you 100% of the Nica X Treme experience I would rather not stay open as many of my guests know of me, there are many blockades up and down the coast highway from Managua and do not want to put anyone in jeopardy, please understand they are not targeting tourists or foreigners and you can fly into airport behind us from Liberia C.R though surfboards could be a problem, this is not a post to scare anyone but use your good judgement before coming here. I want to thank everyone for your support and promise when things get better and I can provide the services you all have been used to you will be the 1st to know. Buzz..........



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Thanks for comments.  The backdoor via Liberia is somewhat encouraging.  Ortega seems holed up in his compound resisting a "coup."  US is restricting visas for Ortega supporters.  

Meanwhile, the volcano disaster in Guatemala is looking bad.  

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I just got to Hacienda Iguana yesterday and figured I'd give a little report on the drive.

We flew in on the late morning spirit flight on Thursday morning at about 1 am, and had to sleep in the airport until 7 since the roads are shut down at night due to thugs taking advantage of the state of the country at night. On the drive from the airport we took multiple detours but actually made pretty good time (about 3 hours). We hit about 6 roadblocks that took money to pass, along with countless abandoned roadblocks with nobody at them that we just had to drive around. Each roadblock only took about a dollar for the whole car. The roadblocks ranged from bricks taken from the road, to trees, to burning tires and trash. Each one had people with homemade mortars, we saw one person shoot one in the air but neither of us ever felt in danger. The biggest one we hit had quite a crowd of locals around it and they seemed to be debating what to do and weren't letting many cars through. Eventually one of the older locals told the guys at the roadblock to let us pass since we were tourists. I think the board bags on our van actually helped us stop from getting hassled as much, one roadblock even checked the inside of our car to make sure we were real tourists with luggage, which was a little unsettling but still not too scary. Most of the people at the roadblocks were actually very polite and friendly with us.

Once we got near Rivas, the road was completely shut down with a line of parked semi trucks with no drivers as far down the road as we could see. We made a U-turn and took a tiny dirt road that i'm pretty sure our driver had never been on before as he asked literally every person he saw for directions to confirm he didn't miss a turn and that the last person's advice was correct. It ended up being a pretty cool detour over a mountain.

I'm not sure if the rental companies will continue doing airport transfers much longer, but either way I would definitely recommend the flight to the airport at Hacienda Iguana over driving if you have a trip planned down here. Like I said I never felt in danger, but it is probably best to leave the protesters and roadblocks be. Other than that now that we're at the beach everything is pretty normal though there is obviously a lot of talk and uncertainty about what's going on.
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Originally posted by: skatensurf

I just got to Hacienda Iguana yesterday and figured I'd give a little report on the drive.



We flew in on the late morning spirit flight on Thursday morning at about 1 am, and had to sleep in the airport until 7 since the roads are shut down at night due to thugs taking advantage of the state of the country at night. On the drive from the airport we took multiple detours but actually made pretty good time (about 3 hours). We hit about 6 roadblocks that took money to pass, along with countless abandoned roadblocks with nobody at them that we just had to drive around. Each roadblock only took about a dollar for the whole car. The roadblocks ranged from bricks taken from the road, to trees, to burning tires and trash. Each one had people with homemade mortars, we saw one person shoot one in the air but neither of us ever felt in danger. The biggest one we hit had quite a crowd of locals around it and they seemed to be debating what to do and weren't letting many cars through. Eventually one of the older locals told the guys at the roadblock to let us pass since we were tourists. I think the board bags on our van actually helped us stop from getting hassled as much, one roadblock even checked the inside of our car to make sure we were real tourists with luggage, which was a little unsettling but still not too scary. Most of the people at the roadblocks were actually very polite and friendly with us.



Once we got near Rivas, the road was completely shut down with a line of parked semi trucks with no drivers as far down the road as we could see. We made a U-turn and took a tiny dirt road that i'm pretty sure our driver had never been on before as he asked literally every person he saw for directions to confirm he didn't miss a turn and that the last person's advice was correct. It ended up being a pretty cool detour over a mountain.



I'm not sure if the rental companies will continue doing airport transfers much longer, but either way I would definitely recommend the flight to the airport at Hacienda Iguana over driving if you have a trip planned down here. Like I said I never felt in danger, but it is probably best to leave the protesters and roadblocks be. Other than that now that we're at the beach everything is pretty normal though there is obviously a lot of talk and uncertainty about what's going on.


So is Colorado's empty?
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Was there a little over a month ago. skatensurf is describing a much worse scenario. Ortega is attempting to pull and Assad in not going but he can't rain down that kind of terror. He could have walked a while ago but now he and the VP (his wife, no really) are probably screwed. I'm thinking Western Hemisphere geopolitics won't let him remain in power.
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Even if Colorados wasn't full of brazzies... it would still be a shadow of its former self. Last 4-5x I surfed it, it just wasn't working right. I think that place depends on the river. If it isn't running the break sucks. So many better waves around.
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I landed in managua the night after the protests started and left a few days later. I wont be back there for a while.

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Not in Iguana itself. Given the current situation, guessing few are likely to venture out from there (unless by boat's still operating). Just wondering if it's thinned the crowd there
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The crowd is thinned out from the other times I'd been here but I wouldn't call it empty. I counted 30 people out which is pretty thin by this place's standards.
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news just said Managua traffic is shut down from 87 road blocks

also heavy violence in Masaya 

good luck

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Siege Begins On Managua: 87 Barricades (Tranques) - PHOTOS
Ortega's refusal intensifies the national protest, international carriers could close borders

http://todaynicaragua.com/sieg...cades-tranques-photos/


This is great for Costa Rica tourism, which in my opinion is a better place to be anyway....first time I landed in mangua in the late 80s or 1990 something the airport was shot out with crashed airplanes by the side. I'm like...uh...unstable country warning!


Viva la revolution!
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It's so sad to see this happening. I went to Nicaragua in January -- my second surf trip there. It was in the north of the country, near Chinendaga. Stayed at La Bahia and it was great. A fun break with relatively few people. It was definitately away from hotels, restaurants and other businesses but you get plenty of relaxation and much more interaction with the locals -- even with my so-so Spanish. I feel for them and hope this all ends well.

I'm always amazed when I visit Central American countries in which the U.S. has historically meddled at how kind the people are toward Americans with no animosity, at least that I've encountered. Many of them have a hardscrabble life, made even harder by government by dictatorship and corruption.

Viva la revolution is right. The people deserve better than what they are getting out of their government.

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Just got back.  Staying at Hacienda Iguana in Tolla, we were not affected other than the drive over from Managua on June 1.  It took 4.5 hours versus 2.5 hrs due to multiple roadblocks.  We ended up chartering a flight from Tolla back to Managua on a puddle jumper to avoid the drive as we heard the conditions on the roads had worsened.  If I ever go back, I will probably explore this option as it was fairly easy compared to the drive, just a bit more costly.   A lot of surf camps are either shutting down or considering it due to the roadblocks because gas and food not getting through to the coast in addition to the troubles just getting there.  Sad situation, hope they find a resolution soon.  

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I wonder if this will slow down or stop that dreadful Nicaragua Canal.
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So my contact that has family in Nicaragua and lived there most of her life and still has family there, said that to her count there were 8 more killed over the weekend- including a 12 year old. This again in Grenada 2 more, and 6 in the north part of the country. She said the current count down there is 144 killed.

She also said that it's been widely reported that about 7-8,000 US Marines landed in San Jose Costa Rica over the weekend as well- something that our top notch press corps will not tell you about as it's too important to cover truly importanat things like Stormy Daniels. Sounds like there may be a confrontation coming or just a show of strenghth with a demand for Ortega to step down before we come in and take care of business- will see what happens- dictator's like Ortega get drunk with power and wealth and re not known for making wise decisions.....so we'll see....keep you all posted if I hear more as you certainly will not hear a lick on this from the likes of CNN....

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Quadro

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Are the anti-Ortega groups/roadblocks armed?

 06/11/2018 06:46 PM
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AA is cancelling flights to and from Managua. Ortega's security forces on the offfensive in Managua going after the barricades and activists meeting them with home made mortars, slingshots, and other weapons. Over 70% of the roads are blocked by barricades.

The shit is getting real.
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AA canceled only 2 flights that had a scheduled overnight layover for both the plane and the crew.  All other service from MIA to MGA continues as scheduled for now.  

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The news I read said they were suspended until June 19. Guess the news it is pretty unreliable coming out of the country in its current state.

Edit: Yeah I see what you are saying, I just read it on a different site and they echoed what you just said... that it was only two of the flights on the schedule being cancelled until June 19th and that all else are continuing.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/facing-down-the-death-squads-of-nicaragua-33?ref=home

https://www.thedailybeast.com/...-nicaragua-33?ref=home
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Socialism, Marxism, dictatorship, excessive centralized power never works out.  What a shame.  Did a trip down there 15 years ago and it felt safer than Palm Bay.  Mass exodus is next.

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Shea at playa chancletas posted on instagram the entire resort is empty for a week with high tide in the AM(that means sick toobs if there is any swell)!!!!

He said his drivers have had no problems coming or going to airport and is pleading for people to go, if my passport wasnt expired i would give him a call

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That is a lot of risk for a tide specific wave outside of the good wind zone where you only get one guaranteed session a day.
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Ortega, Somoza, Nicaragua, El Salvador. Rinse repeat. Its a playbook. Republicans in office, CIA on the ground.

New puppet on the way. Ollie is NRA....load the boat....you know where to offload. Just dodge the Brazilians. Should be a good time, World Cup and all.

Good way to thin the herd. Dawn patrol at Red River was looking like Waikiki at rush hour.

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Originally posted by: miker

That is a lot of risk for a tide specific wave outside of the good wind zone where you only get one guaranteed session a day.


the barrels have been described as "to die for" lol

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Masaya, 15 miles from Managua, has kicked out the government and proclaimed itself self-governing.  It had been strongly Sandinista.  

The Pope has sent a new ambassador.  

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Friends are there now Popoya area, we will be there next month HAHAHAHA SISSY'S. Offshores all day empty line ups gonna be RAD just like every trip !!!!



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LOL I hope they cancel your flight you idiot
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miker

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That is your post dude? What a douche.
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Enjoy dumbass... Puff puff, pass

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/my-nicaragua-motorcycle-diary-racing-through-a-revolution

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Originally posted by: matt_t https://www.thedailybeast.com/my-nicaragua-motorcycle-diary-racing-through-a-revolution

good read, thx for sharing 



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Family locked in bldg and burned alive. They were shot at when attempting to escape.
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That guy is lucky to make it through unhurt let alone alive. Seems like he had every opportunity for that to end badly.
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Majorly dumb, but consistent with reports from Nicaragua.  Ordinary people, especially students, are doing their best to shut out the government until some kind of agreement can be reached for early elections (preferably without Ortega running) or Ortega's departure.  The Catholic Church doesn't seem to be having much luck as a mediator.  

To judge from news reports, violence is almost entirely on the government side.  One of the big gripes is that the military, while not doing much of anylthing to help the government, isn't doing anything about the "paramilitaries" that have sprung up to terrorize the public.  

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Before you call me names you should know this . I have been doing missions to NICA for yrs . We have bought thousand of dollars of beans,rice,oil, soap ect... WE HAVE TRAVELD SO FAR IN THE JUNGLE TO FEED AND MEET THE NEEDS OF THOSE WHO HAVE NOTHING ! We purchased a complete curruculum for the schools in the Popoya area and school supplies. WE HAVE PROVIDED SO MANY CLEAN WATER UNIT IT NOT FUNNY .SOOOOOOOO I WILL BE STANDING TALL & DEEP IN THE GREEN ROOM AS I ALWAYS DO . Loving on my hermanos ans hermanas TADA!  FEEL GOOD ABOUT UR KEYBOARD STUPIDITY YET .... bahahahahaha YEW tubes for SONNYTO 



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 07/26/2018 03:38 AM
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Burry

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1234...testing

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Inflation caused The BIG BANG...look it up!
 07/27/2018 08:01 AM
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Cuz

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Myself and 2 others went to Nica from the 9th to the 14th of July. During our 3 hour drive from Managua to Asseradores we didn't see one sketchy situation or anything that felt any different from when I was there in 2015. Keeping my fingers crossed for the people of Nicaragua and hope that Ortega gets the boot soon.
 07/29/2018 06:07 PM
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Flow

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El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras are don't even think about going. If you disagree just go yourself and take your family while you are at it and don't suggest others should minimize the risks. Nicaragua is fast approaching this. Why even think about it when Costa Rica is still relatively safe.

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 07/30/2018 08:22 AM
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NorthJettySurf

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was there for the first day of protest and the following three months... crazy.. this post says 28 dead (when created) well now they are up to 500 .... you can still go there and surf ... bring clothes and stuff to help people in the down times!!! don't only think of scoring their waves selfish sallys

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 07/31/2018 06:13 PM
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Flow

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El Salvador has the highest per capita murder rate in the world. Went there twice a decade a ago and came back knowing better even back then. Everything is deteriorating south of the border. Be careful.

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